Somehow this doesn't surprise me any longer. I bet they're Evangelicals. After watching "Jesus Camp" I can't really expect anything different from those...people.

How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen

Well, you see, this people believe in things they cannot prove, believe in miracles and all such stuff - so for them it's a logical notion that one magically can transform an "evil" homosexual into a "good" heterosexual. They need to believe that "good" and "evil" people exist, because they have to do a lot of good works to come in heaven, you know?

I heard about it, but aren't informed well.

It makes me sad to think about the people which are forced to do such a "therapy" or do hope that this would heal them from their "disease". It has to be horrible to be called "evil" or "wrong" only for prefering another gender than some people want you to prefer and to try to erase some part of your personality ... When I hear about things like that I'm very glad that I live in Germany (and that the mayor of Berlin is gay on his own) and hope that some day people understand the meaning of "all men (an women and those between) are created equal" and learn to respect others although they think/ behave diffrent.

CU Julia

Ce n'est pas une pomme

Bücher sind gut oder schlecht geschrieben. Damit ist alles gesagt.

This program is called "Exodus" and is very dangerous (I don't want to promote it at all, but for everybody who want to take a glimpse at this weird stuff: http://www.exodus-international.org).
I've seen a TV report about it and couldn't believe it.
The wonderful effects of this program is best shown at one example: One guy who was in "therapy" at this group got so scared by them, that he cut of his own genitals and flushed the wound with drain pipe cleaner to "wash himself free from any sins".
No comment...

Research is a drug.

The fact that anyone could improve the 'Holy' books very simple, tells enough in my opinion.

Asked about his opinion on Western civilization, Mahatma Gandhi: "I think it would be a great idea!"

I've looked a bit more into it and I must say that Christians don't own the copyright on the idea. There seem to be "Ex-Gay" movements created and led by "reparative therapists" (can you even imagine that they consider themselves doctors?!) also in the Jewish and Muslim world.

And then some people ask why monotheisms should be wiped away from this planet...

How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen

I've heard things about this sort of nonsense. It's not something that surprises me, sadly. Some people are just so brainwashed with such utter nonsense that they can't see common sense anymore.

"Watch your step by the crowd of fanatics, while they kill in the name of applied mathematics"

Its senses....

"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott

Tell that to Ted Haggard...Its senses..pft...

How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen

I think it's very sad....but when Christians get into trying
to change someone in that manner, convincing them
that it's a sin. These poor people think they are going
to hell and burn for all eternity.

It can take many lives to clear the debts incurred in one lifetime.

Surely it isn't all that surprising that a religion which has taught throughout its twenty century long history that it is a matter of divine revelation that homosexuality is immoral, fosters a belief today that it's possible to cure people of it?

They think that way just as they would think that an inveterate embezzler can be cured of needing to steal, or an adulterer can be cured of needing to cheat on his wife.

They believe that what transgresses the will of God for humanity is an unfortunate aberration, and that God will help whoever sincerely tries to put it right, in himself or in another.

You can of course reject their beliefs. You can say "I see only cruelty and lack of understanding in this, and since it comes from religion it looks to me like a reason to reject religion." But what the religion says on the subject should hardly be a surprise. Its scriptures say so, and following them the religion has said the same thing about homosexuality for two thousand years.

Religion has a lot to answer for.
Homosexuality isn't a sin.
Bloody hell.

I wasn't meant to walk this world without you - Kelly Clarkson - Maybe.

This is actually not a new topic here. I have seen this appear several times before.
I find it very unfortunate that religions are used to condemn people and bring them down. Human beings should be encouraged and helped to find their own self-worth and not degraded and humiliated. We should be taught to accept all people since we are all one. By condemning homosexual people we are condemning ourselves. We are bringing ourselves down. If we can accept and love ourselves, we will also accept and love everyone else.

"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho

The best way to cheer yourself up...is to cheer somebody else up..
MT

The treatment of fellow followers of faith purely on the basis of their sexuality is one of the most distasteful aspects of any religion.

"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed."

i watched jesus camp too and it did (!) freak me out. i also felt sad for those who have been brainwashed.
those doin the judgin is them so im v proud of bein who i am. personally theyre only makin me stronger, hope its the same for all the gay ppl out there.

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*sigh*..I find it quite intriguing how the church changes bible things to benefit themselves.

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sadly,that's no big surprise to me any longer. things like that make me worry about the future (much more than things like no jobs etc..) I dont want to start another stereotypical "anti-amercianism"-discussion,but the extent of right-conservative/religious brainwashing is incredibly dangerous! opinions worse than in the middle-ages are spread and even people claiming to not pay attention start believing sooner or later.
its something totally different BUT also the same: this morning I read in the newspaper that in some US states the public wearing of boxershorts & sports-bra's is going to be forbidden by law....so,whats the next step?!?!!!

Ineed it is.

It is also another straw-eye view as if this were the only sin in the world. And in doing so, there is a failure to recognize that we are ALL called to change, because we are ALL sinners, none greater than another.

-Bruce

"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott

I need to clairify:

Indeed it is NOT a new topic......

"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott

Trust me...we are not all being brainwashed over here by anything..
Most have their own minds...even the loud extreme religious fringe which have the squeakiest wheel....
Your understanding on this proposal on banning is a little off..
These are basically parents wanting laws to ban the baggy pants what falls below the underwear.......and all those teen age hip hop trends their kids are wearing...teens are the target.

It has fallen a little beneath my radar..because I'm not a teen ager and I will wear whatever I like (yeah..a sports bra or midi shirt...whatever)..
There is a proposal on a ban here...but unlikely to go any further. Sounds like a bunch of nuts to me.
But I do disagree with it...and seems most others do too.
Can't speak for LA.
If they don't like the trends...they should just create a school dress code...and after that it's the responsibility of the parents.
What a shocking thought...that parents should control their own kids!!!
I'm against all banning or censoring...even that to which I disagree.
Actually, I'm no longer sure if this is the liberals or the conservatives anymore..
They both seem eager to control everyone else or curtail whatever it may be they personally disagree with..
The majority are moderate.

The best way to cheer yourself up...is to cheer somebody else up..
MT

i do find it hilarious these people get theyre knickers in a twist of the idea that gay people have relationships,can love and want to get married
then again in looking to validate theyre objections often seem to quote passages in "holy books"which are not very holy in its attitude to gay people or anyone who objects to their absolute contridictions

this whole idea of this de-homosexualising of people practis ce is firstly Dangerous,secondly antiquated and thirdly immoral-yes i used the word immoral such a word these fine upstanding practioners of monothesim bark on about

put it bluntly if i were a mindless sheep id rather tune in to seasme street and pick a character of it lets say Ernie id probably be a far better person than to adbide by contridictional,heavily poltical so called holy books which have as much truth in them as a Mythomania Meeting

Ni heolas go haontios - There is no knowledge without unity

I wonder why it is that the radical element in the homosexual community is so seldom criticized? And why is it that a very small group like those in question are attacked as if they might destroy our moral fibre? By radical I mean those that want to flaunt thier sexuality Do I need to know what goes on behind anybodys bedroom doors? Do my children need to know who is homosexual and who isn't?
Since the question seems to deal with christians and sin - I will state that I qualify on both parts. I am a christian. I am a sinner I am flawed but forgiven. please note christians are not perfect. We make mistakes just like everyone else

I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.

There is no need to be perfect- that's human. Problems arise when somebody forces somebody else to live life in a way this somebody doesn't want, to hide a part of his or her personality or makes him/her feel guilty for his/her preferences. I don't want to pretend that I know much about these things, but I suppose that this is something very religious (which religion doesn't realy matter) tend to do more often than non-religious people. There is probalby a reason for which homosexuals have often a aversion against "the church".

Why should children not know whether somebody is homosexual or not? They know about the hetero people that they are hetero. .

P.S.: Please excuse me, if I didn't understand you corresctly- I don't know all of your vocabularies but supposed to have understudd the essentials.

Ce n'est pas une pomme

Bücher sind gut oder schlecht geschrieben. Damit ist alles gesagt.

well i am not an expert in religions but as far as i know homosexuality is not a good thing according to christianity, islam and buddism....

This probably would fit better in the US Channel, but given the topic at hand I thought I'd paste it here for it stigmatises pretty well the blatant hypocrisy of so many among today's gay-bashers, Ted Haggard being only one, pretty sad example.

Senator pleaded guilty, reportedly after bathroom stall incident.

"(CNN) -- A Republican senator pleaded guilty earlier this month to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge stemming from his arrest at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, according to state criminal records."

"Roll Call newspaper reported Monday that Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho was apprehended June 11 by a plainclothes police officer investigating complaints of lewd behavior in an airport men's room."

" According to Roll Call, the arresting officer alleged that Craig lingered outside a rest room stall where the officer was sitting, then entered the stall next door and blocked the door with his luggage.
According to the arrest report cited by Roll Call, Craig tapped his right foot, which the officer said he recognized "as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct."
The report alleges Craig then touched the officer's foot with his foot and the senator "proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times," according to Roll Call. "

Hitting on a policeman of the same gender, not bad for a Republican senator famous for his anti-gay views.

How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen

May i remind you that it doesn't have to do anything with homosexuality, alot of hetrosexuals are expressing their love in the same way, kissing in public, or even have sex in public. There is basicly no diference.

Thou i do agree that neither you or your kids have to see that, thou that goes to both hetrosexuals and homosexuals that way then. Dont you agree ? :- )

Reskadelick

This works both ways, of course. Why should someone have beliefs by a minority group crammed down their throat that they don't bnelieve in - but this is really for another thread.

"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott

This is WAY off topic for this discussion.

"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott

I wouldn't say it's WAY off topic. Just enough to make the whole conversation more interesting. But feel free to ignore the post if you don't like it.

How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen