Help save the last Native Americans!!!
December 20th 2007 representatives of the Lakotah Nation travelled
to Washington DC and withdrew from the treaties they have held with
the United States for over a hundred years, effectively declaring
their independence. This was done in accordance with Article 6 of
the
US Constitution and the Vienna convention.
Thus was born the Republic of Lakotah.
Lakotah occupies a large area of the U.S. in the States of
Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, South and North Daktoa and boasts a
tax-free community ran country, where communities are free to govern
themselves with minimal federal interference.
Anybody can become a Lakotah citizen as long as they are willing to
reside in Lakotah and renounce their current citizenship.
New citizens need not be of native descent.
Please visit their website for more information including:
Legal Documents
Press Releases
Interviews with Russell Means
Contact Information
Community Forum
and more
...
www.rebuplicoflakotah.com
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the link doesnt work either
edit: republic of lakotah
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frewurny glirt ptohtsm!
"The Republic of Lakotah does not and will not have any type of
Warrior Society, paramilitary or anything that foments violence."
Good, the easier to invade then 
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frewurny glirt ptohtsm!
"effectively declaring their independence" does that mean that they believe they're independent, just nobody recognises it? either they're independent or they're not?
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People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. - V
I would like to see exactly how these people live or much they take advantage of what taxpayers have to pay for, while they themselves live tax-free.
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I would like to see exactly how these people live or much they take advantage of what taxpayers have to pay for, while they themselves live tax-free.
I read the website - they don't seem to have any kind of infrastructure in place - you'd think that if they were going to declare independence that they would at least have made sure everything was in place before doing it? Nothing more than a publicity stunt I think?
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People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. - V
Is this "declaration" of independence recognized by the U.N.? Also how would they draw the borders through all those states? Sounds to me like another Kurdish republic where the people declare themselves independent from the country they reside yet they have no formally recogized country of their own.
Does this even belong here?
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Does this even belong here?
You know I think you're right there. I think this will be better in the USA channel myself.
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I guess this is more of an American related topic, as stated in the title. Happy discussion!
I say give them their independence and then charge them import taxes for goods. I think it's so dumb that they get to be a US citizen AND live tax free and that's still not good enough!!!
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It's so hard to find another Native American. The best my mom got (she's Potawatomi) was a 3/4 white, 1/4 Native man.
I say give them their independence and then charge them import taxes for goods. I think it's so dumb that they get to be a US citizen AND live tax free and that's still not good enough!!!
And free university education?
I say give them their independence and then charge them import taxes for goods. I think it's so dumb that they get to be a US citizen AND live tax free and that's still not good enough!!!
And free university education?
And the lost of their country? And this still goes on: Shoshone-territory for example.
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I say give them their independence and then charge them import taxes for goods. I think it's so dumb that they get to be a US citizen AND live tax free and that's still not good enough!!!
And free university education?
And the lost of their country? And this still goes on: Shoshone-territory for example.
Thats the problem..what is THEIR country? Where do you draw the borders?
And the lost of their country? And this still goes on: Shoshone-territory for example.
Where did you pull that from Ducky? They had no concept of "Country" They had their "lands" Back when free, that had no defined boundaries. Well asked? Where to draw the lines? Let me ask you... Given chance to pick sides in the US's war between the states, commonly referred to as the Civil War, which side would you pick, and why?
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
And the lost of their country? And this still goes on: Shoshone-territory for example.
Where did you pull that from Ducky? They had no concept of "Country" They had their "lands" Back when free, that had no defined boundaries. Well asked? Where to draw the lines? Let me ask you... Given chance to pick sides in the US's war between the states, commonly referred to as the Civil War, which side would you pick, and why?
I did pull this from a documentary I saw about a gold sand mine. The US government "offered" some money for their land. In fact they where forced to take this offer, cause the only alternative would have been to "sail to jail" so to speak.
I don't know what civil war had to do with native americans, because I thought the war took place because of the slave question. But if I would have to pick a side I would take the north. Why? Because I don't like the idea of slavery.
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"Vor allem bewahrt Euch stets die Fähigkeit, jede Ungerechtigkeit, die irgendwo auf der Welt begangen wird, aufs Tiefste zu empfinden. " Che Guevara
And the lost of their country? And this still goes on: Shoshone-territory for example.
Where did you pull that from Ducky? They had no concept of "Country" They had their "lands" Back when free, that had no defined boundaries. Well asked? Where to draw the lines? Let me ask you... Given chance to pick sides in the US's war between the states, commonly referred to as the Civil War, which side would you pick, and why?
I did pull this from a documentary I saw about a gold sand mine. The US government "offered" some money for their land. In fact they where forced to take this offer, cause the only alternative would have been to "sail to jail" so to speak.
I don't know what civil war had to do with native americans, because I thought the war took place because of the slave question. But if I would have to pick a side I would take the north. Why? Because I don't like the idea of slavery.
Well then you are not very well informed of the Civil War Ducky. No big there. Not that I liked slavery either, but the REAL reasons for the war, once you look them up would make you choose the south, judging from your arguments for Native Americans. Mayhap be worth a look for you if you are interested in learning.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
Well then you are not very well informed of the Civil War Ducky. No big there. Not that I liked slavery either, but the REAL reasons for the war, once you look them up would make you choose the south, judging from your arguments for Native Americans. Mayhap be worth a look for you if you are interested in learning.
I could imagine that the US Armies (both sides) used the natives as cannon fodder. And it was easy to make them willing: They were (and still are) depending of the US goverment.
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"Vor allem bewahrt Euch stets die Fähigkeit, jede Ungerechtigkeit, die irgendwo auf der Welt begangen wird, aufs Tiefste zu empfinden. " Che Guevara
Very noble of how you would pick the North because of their stance on slavery on hindsight. If you were alive back then you wouldn't have had such a choice.
Missed again Ducky. But...to make this simple, The south merely wished to be left to run their states (as the constitution allowed)as they saw fit. Without an overly intrusive federal government. Quite similar to what the Native American's wanted. Don't run to the slavery question as that is a very small portion of it. In fact, the famous proclamation by old Abe only freed slaves...in the south. And then ONLY when it became beneficial to do so. So which side would you pick now Ducky?
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My decision still stands....
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"Vor allem bewahrt Euch stets die Fähigkeit, jede Ungerechtigkeit, die irgendwo auf der Welt begangen wird, aufs Tiefste zu empfinden. " Che Guevara
Nothing wrong with that. So long as you know...in an off-way...you can't really be against slavery.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
To summarize this: To be against slavery you have to be for slavery. Right?!
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No. Read and you will see it.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
The South? Now that's an interesting topic.
Most whites who display the Confederate flag proudly claim it's "heritage, not hate". As long as they're not card-carrying members of the KKK, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand, blacks do not display the Confederate flag because for them it reminds them of their history as slaves in this country.
As for Indian separatists, I suppose I don't blame them. Most of the time we don't get the loser's perspective of history, whether it's white Americans vs. Native Americans (or black Americans), the North vs. the South, monotheists vs. polytheists, and the list goes on and on. In sports a lot of people are dedicated to their favorite football team even if they haven't won a Super Bowl in ages (or at all), so there you go.
The South? Now that's an interesting topic.
Most whites who display the Confederate flag proudly claim it's "heritage, not hate".
And its usually the battle flag
Yes Ed. And it was for what they fought for ACTUALLY it is displayed.
The South? Now that's an interesting topic.
Most whites who display the Confederate flag proudly claim it's "heritage, not hate". As long as they're not card-carrying members of the KKK, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand, blacks do not display the Confederate flag because for them it reminds them of their history as slaves in this country.
Then why doesn't wearing African garb, displaying African flags remind them just the same way? It WAS Africans that collected and sold them to white traders. Aren't they reminding themselves of their own hate and slavery perpetrated on themselves by themselves?
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
Yes Ed. And it was for what they fought for ACTUALLY it is displayed.
Then why doesn't wearing African garb, displaying African flags remind them just the same way? It WAS Africans that collected and sold them to white traders. Aren't they reminding themselves of their own hate and slavery perpetrated on themselves by themselves?
The South? Now that's an interesting topic.
Most whites who display the Confederate flag proudly claim it's "heritage, not hate". As long as they're not card-carrying members of the KKK, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand, blacks do not display the Confederate flag because for them it reminds them of their history as slaves in this country.
Then why doesn't wearing African garb, displaying African flags remind them just the same way? It WAS Africans that collected and sold them to white traders. Aren't they reminding themselves of their own hate and slavery perpetrated on themselves by themselves?
That's true. But greed can make one forget about racial or tribal loyalty. In the ancient world slavery was non-discriminatory. It was the Arabs who began race-based slavery, specifically black African slavery. Many parts of Spain and Portugal were under Muslim rule for about 700 years and when they colonized the New World they at first tried to enslave Natives, but they weren't used to European diseases and since they knew the land, they could easily run off to somewhere else, so the Iberian colonizers decided to follow the precedent of their Muslim ex-rulers and use black African slaves for labor.
This year a lot of Afro-Americans support Barack Obama's candidacy, but the truth is, he's half-black, a mulatto if you will, same as Tiger Woods. However, his dad was from eastern Africa and the ancestors of the New World's black population were from western Africa, and there are significant cultural differences, which anyone in Africa could tell you. But here, if you're black, you a "homeboy". Funny thing, I was watching an Obama rally and someone had a homemade sign which said "Barack Obama is my homeboy." 
http://www.indians.org/articles/native-american-ancestry.html
aren't native americans allotted free land if they decide to live on "reservation" lands as well as receiving free federal money each month and free education? maybe it varies from state to state.
"There are 561 federally recognized tribal governments in the United States. These tribes possess the right to form their own government, to enforce laws (both civil and criminal), to tax, to establish membership, to license and regulate activities, to zone and to exclude persons from tribal territories. Limitations on tribal powers of self-government include the same limitations applicable to states; for example, neither tribes nor states have the power to make war, engage in foreign relations, or coin money (this includes paper currency).[29]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
so now i can become a tribal member, if i move to lakota territory. just think i could be the only blonde haired blue eyed lakotan.
hasn't this been on already??