Scotland's revenge on England
Okay retarded topic title I get that but it has a point to being in here.
I'm currently reading this book called "how the scots created canada" or something like that and to quote the reason I bought the book is this ...
"Canada, it's said, is Scotland's revenge on England. It provided an outlet for the ambition and ingenuity of Scottish émigrés, and in the process, the Scots built a nation."
So as Canadians how does that make you feel? and for anyone else do you think that we could actually be Scotlands revenge?
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but Scotland is a part of Britain - just like England
scotland is part of britain but not by choice
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I think perhaps I might need to explain the jist of it then, because clearly its not well known the number of Scottish people who had an influential role in the shaping of Canada. and prior to that the dominion of Canada and prior to that the Ruperts Land ...
the Hudson Bay Company which owned most of Canada when it was called ruperts land was the largest company and most anyone of importance in the HBC grew up in Scotland; like Sir George Simpson, Donald Smith, and Sire James Douglas - they were in controlled and dominated the HBC in the 19th century, then there were the likes of chief factor robert campbell, CF Alexander Murray, John Maclean, Thomas Simpson, James Leith etc., most of these people were directly involved in the fur trade or were known for having mapped areas from the arctic coast to well all over.
Our first prime minister was also Scottish, an alcoholic drunken bastard but Scottish nonetheless. there was also william lyon mackenzie and george brown, or like Agnes Macphail who was the first woman MP in 1921 when women were given the right to vote, she was the first generation Scot born in Canada. Tommy Douglas who is called the father of universal medicare was born in Scotland.
There are highland games heald every year in most major cities throughout the country, Scottish dance and music can still be found, with highland dancing amoung the most popular children's activities. then there is the bagpipes which are still used in almost every public function from military gatherings to bonspiels to parliamentary ceremonies. Not only did the scots conceive and build some of Canada's earliest and most important universities, but they imported their egalitarian system of higher education to create the template for the modern canadian uni system. I'm sure the list could go on.
Ditto!
If true, doesn't bother me a bit!
I'm of Swiss-German background, so it matters not to me. :-)
Rodders
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That's not exactly true: Canada is member in the Common Wealth of Nations. If a country wants to become a member, it has to acknowledge that the British King/Queen is the Boss now. But as far as I know every member can leave that club as well. Then there would not be any British influence any more.
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I just reread my post and found out that its totally nonsense!
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"Vor allem bewahrt Euch stets die Fähigkeit, jede Ungerechtigkeit, die irgendwo auf der Welt begangen wird, aufs Tiefste zu empfinden. " Che Guevara
not really because canada, as long as I know, have no particulary positiv action in favour of scotland's self-determination ! the true is so sad : as many others celts brothers, scottish used by british autorities as colonist or soldier in oder to impregnate thiers presence on all colony !
as other exemple : british used in the past many indies troop and colonist in theirs african colony as Kenya or south africa but, despite there were now a big uper class in Kenia of people from India, these people have no particulary claim about there indian origin but they most refer as old british empire subject !
that's remember me, as I said in the past, the first name of canadian's "newfoundland" was "nouvelle bretagne or "neue Breizh" but when breton's troops was defeated in 1488 they have to gave to french city of Sant Malo and by the way theirs traditionals commercial road so Saint laurent area !
I don't know if it is, but I was taught a long time ago, that Canada was part of the British Commonwealth. Scotland, England, it doesn't matter to me, it is still Canada, I am still a Canadian, and I love Canada. Enough said! ![]()
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Clearly my point was lost among the posters, but thats okay. And for clarity Canada is still apart of the Commonwealth, oddly though when the commonwealth states meet in their little groupings Canada is lumped together with the Caribbean nations that belong to the Commonwealth because we're closer geographically, though at one time we were apart of the British Commonwealth meetings, but then it got to expensive, so now we're lumped together with countries that differ greatly from us. At least thats my opinion from having to attend their meetings.
@Jennyjen... I enjoyed the brief history lesson from you. I'm not so sure about that revenge thing though. Scotland (Scottish people) did have a lot of influence and helped shape our country, but couldn't the same be said of other nations as well? For example here on the prairies, we also have a large Ukraine influence.... and the mennonites from Germany.....etc
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living on the prairies like you I could agree but I won't I mean, consider the fact that in Saskatchewan the Ukrainians and the Germans seemed to settle in lots where they didn't really interact much with the rest of the folks like the Scots, English, French, etc., though they did make and still maintain many smaller communities, but they were more loners if you will. the scots however were friendly enough to throw a party for every one and give us the lovely Tommy Douglas ![]()
I think the Scottish had a big influence in creating Canada and as I see it as an European with no connections to England, there has always been and still is a good relation to England. Canada became the home of many loyalists after the US war of independence, it separated from "England" in a non-violent and prudent manner and until now (if I remember right) has the Queen as Head of state. So why say "revenge" on England? Isn't it more an excemple how to separate in peace and go on cooperating? Something like an excemple for the Scottish separation movement today?
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I very much doubt it seeing as Canada is practically half a monarch state. Too much British influence for it to ever be truly Scottish.