Culloden and Stirling

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TrebleMezz | 27 Jan 2008 - 2:51pm

Can anyone tell me if the battles in Stirling and Culloden really happened or if its just fiction in books?? Did the scottish clans really die out in the battles??

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malepietro della | 27 January 2008 - 3:55pm

i think you will find that culloden is well documented..as for destruction of the clans?no! perhaps their will to fight,but scotland is still populated by clans especially in the highlands.

maleshaka | 27 January 2008 - 3:56pm

Both battles happened. Actually, Stirling was the stage of two different battles in two different wars, with a few centuries between the two.

And yes, the Battle of Culloden of 1746 was quite a bloodbath, but I wouldn't say that the Scottish clans died that day on the battlefield, considering that they still survive today.


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maleJimC | 27 January 2008 - 4:18pm

The battle of Culloden, the most famous battle of the Jacobite Rebellions, heralded the destruction of the Highland Clan system.

In less than an hour it was all over.364 Government troops had been killed or wounded. A much larger number of Jacobites and others had been killed during the battle. Lots more were killed as they lay wounded on the battlefield or after being taken prisoner. And the Government dragoons went to hunt down fleeing Jacobites. They killed rebels, bystanders, spectators, residents and anyone else who was within reach. Its said that the total dead on the Jacobite side was well over 1,000. A total of 3,470 Jacobites, supporters and others were taken prisoner in the aftermath of Culloden.120 were executed and 88 died in prison while 936 were transported to the colonies and 222 more "banished". Many of the rest were eventually released, though the fate of nearly 700 is unknown.


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malejulius_civilis | 27 January 2008 - 11:46pm

The battle of Stirling bridge is unique because it was a decisive victory for the Scots against the English in their first war of Independence. I forget the exact date but it was right around 1300.

The Battle of Culloden was the end of the Stuarts having any real chance to be Kings of anything and cemented the Hanoverian control over England and Scotland. It eventually was the end of the Highland culture as well because after this there were strict laws passed which banned even the traditional Tartans from being worn. Plus with the creation of Highland Regiments there were hardly any people able to fight.

So in a way the old clan systems did change although most clans are still around today. My Family is descended from a Border clan.


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femaleTrebleMezz | 3 February 2008 - 1:20pm

Ok... Then there is some truth to Braveheart and Outlander Smile


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maleEdIsBack | 3 February 2008 - 1:30pm

TrebleMezz wrote:
Ok... Then there is some truth to Braveheart and Outlander :)

Yep Mel Gibson fought for independence for both the Americans and the Scots.

femaleBogMyrtle | 23 March 2008 - 7:58pm

William Wallace would be ashamed of his minute statue at Stirlingshire. Secondly, Mel Gibson tried his best, but I doubt that he has any Scottish ancestory as his legs weren't as white or quite hairy enough. As for his accent...cute for an American, but definately nothing like the real Highlandish manner of doing, so to speak!

Culloden is an eerie place and it's ghosts speak about it in the silence of the place. The Highlanders fought bravely against the English, but unfortunately not even lifting their pretty kilts could deter the sly and wicked English who knew all about bribery and nothing about honour at all.

The clans are still very much "alive" in the Highlands and parts of the Lowlands. Just ask them about uisge beathe - and never mention Jack Daniels if you really want to earn their respect and friendship or want to know more about malts and blends. If you want to be their friend don't mention the name "Campbell" either in front of them behind their backs.

How to distinguise between a real Mc and a Mac: A McLeod or McDonald or any other Mc-something is from a real original clan. If you are a MacLeod or Mac-something else it means you kind of "bought" into the name, or were accepted into an already existing clan. If any of that makes any sense, Post-Culloden...

Slante vah.


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malepietro della | 23 March 2008 - 9:48pm

She must have strong legs for walking the fens,wide hips for child bearing,and she must not be a cambell or a catholic...What a bridal path??di ye hae the webbed feet fir walkin the bogs????

maleEdIsBack | 23 March 2008 - 11:02pm

You know what makes it more ironic about Gibson?

He's Australian.

femaleBogMyrtle | 24 March 2008 - 7:57pm

Hmm, Aussie accent bypassing a so Amerrrrrican accent... Makes it sounds comically like a failed Glaswegian comedy with a Geordi lilt... Poor wee crew probably froze off their buttocks too and poor wee disgraced Wallace a la boy'tjie Mal who soooo much wanted to do tha real t'ing for once.

As for the real Scottish lassie: Strong legs to kick a man's stubborn arse, wide hips to keep families on the straight & narrow & bear twelve or more screaming babies as contraceptives are tabood by some married to wife & pub men... As for growing webs on the feet - I'd have liked the fame of the Nessie Monster at times.

Culloden certainly would have scared the tarty un-tartan-like life out of ye, ehh??? I climb fences too and it doesn't make me anything less than a lady. But can ye??? In fact, males seem to think it's quite sexy...but that's something I doubt ye'll understand or hear from them yeself...

What a bridal path??? Me thinks a knob the likes of ye doesn't deserve so much as a reply. This was about Colludon, not ye'r insubordinate comments, crushed pride and wrath which obviously can't compete against true & herioc Scots. Perhaps betta get ye'self on the side of the Campbells or even better still...do not mess with a "Mac" or "Mc"...

A very blessed Eater to ye too!


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femaleTrebleMezz | 28 March 2008 - 1:30pm

BogMyrtle wrote:
William Wallace would be ashamed of his minute statue at Stirlingshire. Secondly, Mel Gibson tried his best, but I doubt that he has any Scottish ancestory as his legs weren't as white or quite hairy enough. As for his accent...cute for an American, but definately nothing like the real Highlandish manner of doing, so to speak!

Culloden is an eerie place and it's ghosts speak about it in the silence of the place. The Highlanders fought bravely against the English, but unfortunately not even lifting their pretty kilts could deter the sly and wicked English who knew all about bribery and nothing about honour at all.

The clans are still very much "alive" in the Highlands and parts of the Lowlands. Just ask them about uisge beathe - and never mention Jack Daniels if you really want to earn their respect and friendship or want to know more about malts and blends. If you want to be their friend don't mention the name "Campbell" either in front of them behind their backs.

How to distinguise between a real Mc and a Mac: A McLeod or McDonald or any other Mc-something is from a real original clan. If you are a MacLeod or Mac-something else it means you kind of "bought" into the name, or were accepted into an already existing clan. If any of that makes any sense, Post-Culloden...

Slante vah.

Thank you!! So James Malcolm Alexander MacKenzie Fraser (from outlander) Is a real Fraser, but not a real MacKenzie!! I get it!!
I love Braveheart, but i do agree that Mel Gibson misght not be the best fitted actor for the role of William Wallace!! But still, the story is amazing!!


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