Sharia Law In Britain?

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look_itsme_lee | 19 Feb 2008 - 10:43pm

Not too sure if this should be in the politics section, but anyway...

What are your views of this new idea of introducing Sharia law into Britain?

I personally am wholly against it. Its a complete joke! By moving to Britain, regardless of your religion, you choose to abide by the British law. I think it is completely out of order to move, then want to change the law!

Not only this, but from what I know about Sharia Law (I won't pretend I'm an expert) It is completely against common British ethics and laws! Lashings, stonings and mutilation. Doesn't sound very 'British' to me.

I'd like to hear your views. If I've made a mistake in my knowledge of Sharia Law, please, just correct, don't get abusive.

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malerichard4u2 | 19 February 2008 - 11:17pm

the only people who want sharia law a either paedophiles or havent had any schooling so i dont think any western country would want sharia law at least of all great britain Shaking head


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maleSkyPiercer | 19 February 2008 - 11:45pm

The idea surprised me...Coming from the archbishop of of Canterbury who is considered as the pope of Anglicans ! Shocked

Lashings, stonings and mutilation are a little aspect of Sharia (Fiqh : the chapter of "penalties") and not the whole thing...It's a not a harsh criminal justice system but a broad code of conduct governing all aspects of life which Muslims can choose to adopt in varying degrees as a matter of personal conscience.

Here the original text of Rowan Williams :

Civil and Religious Law in England: a Religious Perspective


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malelook_itsme_lee | 20 February 2008 - 12:22am

SkyPiercer wrote:
The idea surprised me...Coming from the archbishop of of Canterbury who is considered as the pope of Anglicans ! :o

That shocked me aswell! In fact, today I has to clarify to my friend at school what the controversy surrounding this was all about. They seemed to think it was due to the archbishop being AGAINST sharia law.

SkyPiercer wrote:
Lashings, stonings and mutilation are a little aspect of Sharia (Fiqh : the chapter of "penalties") and not the whole thing...It's a not a harsh criminal justice system but a broad code of conduct governing all aspects of life which Muslims can choose to adopt in varying degrees as a matter of personal conscience.

I understand the penal law is only a fifth of the ultimate sharia law, yet it IS this which is causing the most opposition.

maleflomany | 20 February 2008 - 2:49am

This idiocy coming from the archbishop of Canterbury does not even deserve to be discussed.

maleEdIsHere | 20 February 2008 - 6:34pm

Williams is always coming out with cr*p like that.

Wasn't he pro same sex marriages?

malelook_itsme_lee | 20 February 2008 - 7:05pm

EdIsHere wrote:
Williams is always coming out with cr*p like that.

Wasn't he pro same sex marriages?

I don't see anything wrong with the same sex marriages part.

maleEdIsHere | 20 February 2008 - 10:09pm

Marriage implies a christian ceremony...therefore you need a man and a woman..not two men or two women.

I'm not against the idea of same sex couples, its trying to accommodate them in a religion that teaches against it. Hypocritical huh?

malelook_itsme_lee | 20 February 2008 - 10:21pm

Christianity has now started to accept homosexuality. You live under a rock or something?

Anyway we're going off topic. Anymore opinions on the Sharia Law thing?

maleEdIsHere | 20 February 2008 - 11:36pm

look_itsme_lee wrote:
Christianity has now started to accept homosexuality. You live under a rock or something?

You are missing the point I was making. You got an axe to grind?

maleflomany | 21 February 2008 - 12:36am

Come on, the "eddish" way to comment is not that easy to understand. It's how to express a clear, sharp-witted opinion in a subtle ambiguous way with an extremely subtle ironic undertone, hidden by a clear, succinct, but inconspicuous sentence structure. Writing and reading between the lines is a hobby of you, isn't it?

look_itsme_lee wrote:
“Christianity has now started to accept homosexuality. You live under a rock or something?”

Apart from your statement missing the point Ed made, it’s certainly not right in its content. Who is Christianity and what does “accept” mean?

maleflomany | 21 February 2008 - 12:46am

“Anymore opinions on the Sharia Law thing?”

You already said everything about it. No sane British will be in favour of this blatant attempt to undermine the British constitutional state. Sharia law is not compatible with any constitution and law of the Free World.

maleEdIsHere | 21 February 2008 - 7:39pm

flomany wrote:
Come on, the "eddish" way to comment is not that easy to understand. It's how to express a clear, sharp-witted opinion in a subtle ambiguous way with an extremely subtle ironic undertone, hidden by a clear, succinct, but inconspicuous sentence structure. Writing and reading between the lines is a hobby of you, isn't it?

Nah..I specialise in common sense to be honest.

maleSkyPiercer | 21 February 2008 - 11:46pm

look_itsme_lee wrote:
Christianity has now started to accept homosexuality. You live under a rock or something?

The homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. Christianity still consider homosexuality as sinful and immoral.
Benedict XVI (the highest Christian authority) called homosexuality an objective disorder. He said that homosexuality is contrary to the divine will and profoundly sinful.

The archbishop wasn't very well inspired on this (to not say something else). Sharia is far from being unanimous among Muslims how about another country...

- Interesting survey : (2006 a bit outdated)

"only" 40 % of Muslims (16-to 24-year-olds) living in the UK want Sharia but 75 % of them say that they have as much in common with non-Muslims as with Muslims. Their elders (over 55) have another opinion : "only" 17 % of them want Sharia in the UK.


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malepietro della | 22 February 2008 - 1:40am

Sky as i have said before i speak for no one but myself but the jewish god says that not only is MALE homosexuality a sin,it is an ABOMINATION!!But on the other hand is it not islam that says a man can overcome his baser insticts!!why don't islamics do this and guarantee their place in heaven???perhaps doing this and LATER becominga bali suicide bomber will guarantee their entry??

maleflomany | 22 February 2008 - 1:41am

Wrong, SkyPiercer, as most of your claims about the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict XVI. never said (and he couldn’t anyway) that homosexuality is sinful, he said that the homosexual act is sinful (as sinful as extramarital sex between a heterosexual couple or any kind of sex that rules out the possibility to procreate).

malepietro della | 22 February 2008 - 2:21am

Flomany:i dontknow about your 16 chappie or what he sed but i will take your word for it...since you believe ,like me that we are virtually ANIMALS who need governing,and gooooooood rules are presented to us you take yours but LEAVE me mine,we will agree to see them each from our own point of view but this does not mean that we can deny any other religion,,until they conflict with ours and attempt to FORCE theirs on US...FORCE???this is bad news sky and this is what islam is attempting to FORCE on europe.IMPOSITIONS on humanbeings do not last! they have never lasted and they will not prevail!When did they last???when man accepted them as TRUTH from his GOD!!!
you wish to convince me differently?go for it,on pietro ,mail friends right here in public..

malelook_itsme_lee | 22 February 2008 - 8:55pm

The bible is an ass. It is not truly 'the word of god', but the word of the group of Romans who decided what went into it. How can you preach about being who you are and loving the one you love and then call homosexuality a sin?

maleEdIsHere | 22 February 2008 - 9:45pm

look_itsme_lee wrote:
The bible is an ass. It is not truly 'the word of god', but the word of the group of Romans who decided what went into it. How can you preach about being who you are and loving the one you love and then call homosexuality a sin?

Because the church takes that stance?

femaleserenity_1 | 22 February 2008 - 10:43pm

@ look_itsme_lee ... I agree with you .... its not british - its an Islamic way of living and althou this country is so multi-cuteral now ... i hope and pray it would never come to this .... we are not an islamic nation and all that i heard about it (althou i dont really follow much of this) its horrible


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maleflomany | 22 February 2008 - 11:26pm

@ look_itsme_lee: You have a wrong, extremely narrow understanding of love. In fact, nobody valued (true) love more than Jesus.

femalevacuous | 23 February 2008 - 10:50am

After reading between the lines of this topic which i think was ORIGINALLY about sharia law.....Sharia Law should not be introduced into britain!


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femaleredwillie97 | 23 February 2008 - 11:57am

GB would never allow something as unconstitutional and morally repugnant as Sharia law.
I realize that there are different interpretations of it..but even so...you do not move to a country of western democracy and dictate it's laws. Then conveniently hide behind a religion.
But someones lips are just moving..
it'll never happen.


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malelook_itsme_lee | 23 February 2008 - 2:16pm

flomany wrote:
@ look_itsme_lee: You have a wrong, extremely narrow understanding of love. In fact, nobody valued (true) love more than Jesus.

If jesus valued love so much why doesn't his religion accept love between 2 males?

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After reading between the lines of this topic which i think was ORIGINALLY about sharia law.....Sharia Law should not be introduced into britain!

Lol. It has gone 'slightly' off subject hasnt it.

maleEdIsHere | 23 February 2008 - 5:03pm

look_itsme_lee wrote:
flomany wrote:
@ look_itsme_lee: You have a wrong, extremely narrow understanding of love. In fact, nobody valued (true) love more than Jesus.

If jesus valued love so much why doesn't his religion accept love between 2 males?

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After reading between the lines of this topic which i think was ORIGINALLY about sharia law.....Sharia Law should not be introduced into britain!

Lol. It has gone 'slightly' off subject hasnt it.

To reiterate what I was trying to point out.

Williams, is a Christian. The Christian church teaches that it is wrong for two people of the same sex to engage in intercourse, hence it is hypocritical of HIM.

If Sharia Law was ever passed and there is that small possibility considering the growth of Islam in England, there would be uproar.

maleflomany | 23 February 2008 - 5:54pm

“If jesus valued love so much why doesn't his religion accept love between 2 males?”

He not only accepts (and supports) love between two males, but love between all people. However if you define love with sexual intercourse it’s you who has a sad problem and not Christianity.

malelook_itsme_lee | 23 February 2008 - 7:52pm

For some reason Flomany you seem to be making this argument a personal critisism of myself. I never once said that I define love as sexual intercourse, and I would kindly like to ask you to not assume such things about me when you obviously do not know me.

And also, please, if you don't have anything that actually regards to the intended topic, please don't post at all

maleflomany | 23 February 2008 - 11:52pm

If you personally don’t think so I don’t know why you insulted Christianity on the basis of absolutely no knowledge and no personal motives.

Need I remind you that it was you who started leaving the actual question of this thread and claiming idiotic things about Christianity? Now that I have, you can be dead sure that it is my very right, as a Christian and therefore a victim of your insults, to not ignore them.

malelook_itsme_lee | 24 February 2008 - 1:16pm

look_itsme_lee wrote:

And also, please, if you don't have anything that actually regards to the intended topic, please don't post at all

Apparantly sunday school doesn't teach you to read

maleflomany | 24 February 2008 - 2:31pm

look_itsme_lee wrote:
Apparantly sunday school doesn't teach you to read

Apparently no school has taught you to think so far.

maleEdIsHere | 24 February 2008 - 2:31pm

My dads bigger than your dad.

Thought i'd stoop to your level.