Apologizing For Past Generations
Do you think this generation should have to apologize for past generations actions? (IE kevin rudd apologizing to the aboriginals?)
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yes, they should do it although they didn't commit the crimes / wars / actions / etc. mainly it is expected from others. but after they apologized others shouldn't blame the current generation for the ancient actions. for example the german generation of today (where I belong to) is still blamed by foreigners for ww2 although the war finished over 60 years ago. that has to stop! we (we as in the germans of today) didn't start it! we didn't kill thousands of people! we didn't destroy cities! but still everybody is revering to these crimes...
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If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the gene pool, they'd stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea.
Apologising no, but some commitment not to repeat the same mistakes again would be nice. As for the indigenous Australians, the actions of the current Australian non-Aboriginal generation will require an apology in a few decades from now as well. Apologies is all they ever receive anyway.
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It isn't easy for someone to apologize for someone you didn't know yourself. And it is even more difficult when the family were represented on both sides. But generally you should talk about it, without being in secrecy of decades on any incidents instead of keep them under wraps. In order to work off that a little better, you have to be forced to address it, whether we like it or not. But you can't blame yourself.
no i don't think we should, what happened in the past may have been bad but we weren't there. Funny you should mention Rudd and the aboriginals, now they are wanting compensation, hence the reason why John Howard never said sorry because he knew that this was going to happen. Dont get me wrong i sort of feel sorry for what happened but has nothing to do with us
Simple answer “Am I my fathers keeper” No.
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"On the sixth day God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favour."
Should i apologize to a bunch of Native Americans for taking thier land ? no. it had nothing to do with me.
Same with the slaves. i never owned another man, so i sure as hell ain't sorry for it.
Am i sorry it happened to them. yes of course but young white men long before myself already apologized when they gave their lives in the American civil war.
Should some of these Native American tribes apologize to the African Americans for keeping them as slaves ? no
In Germany's case. you have alot of those German people still living who voted for and supported Adolf Hitler. i think to alot of people there is a difference between that and between apologizing for something that nobody living remembers.
I personally don't think todays German youth owe anyone an apology, but some of your elders are still alove and i wouldn't argue with anyone who says they do. however, my own personal belief is who gives a damn about an apology ? only someone who is out to humiliate or gain some sort of revenge on the persons they are demanding an apology from. it doesn't bring anyone back. it doesn't gaurantee that an atrocity of the same magnitude will not happen again. so therefore i don't think an apology is worth much.
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In Germany's case. you have alot of those German people still living who voted for and supported Adolf Hitler. i think to alot of people there is a difference between that and between apologizing for something that nobody living remembers.
Hmm, what means a lot in numbers? People voted for Hitler in 1933. So if one was lets say 20 years old, then this person would be 95 today. Moreover, the NSDAP received 43.9 % of the votes in March 1933, means 56.1 % of the voters did not vote for Hitler. This makes the group of his voters, still living today even smaller. 
Supporters? Well, Kids at the age of 15 by the end of the War in 1945 are turning 78 today. The average life expectancy is somewhere between 74 an 80 years at the moment. Well you can do the math on your own...
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Well how about thousands of Hitler youths smart guy ? such as our very much alive Holy Father, the Pope. they are somewhere around 70-80 years old today. they helped perpetuate the situation in Germany and many remained loyal in their beliefs of National Socialism and passed this onto their children and their childrens children. just because Germany was defeated doesn't mean that Germans all of the sudden magicly saw the light and dismissed everything they previously beleived in.
It's like the American civil war. many generations later, we still had, and currentlyhave people who were raised on racist southern idealisms.
So yes it is a valid point, you can use all the smileys you want and feel "oh so superior" all you like, but there is still many Germans alive that directly participated in Germanys agression.
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I can only please one person a day and today isn't your day. Tomorrows not looking to good either !
Well how about thousands of Hitler youths smart guy ? such as our very much alive Holy Father, the Pope. they are somewhere around 70-80 years old today.
He, like all of them was just a "flak gunner".
Some one should lampoon him with a panzerfaust in a ruined City shouting "Have this Non Believer!"
Should i apologize to a bunch of Native Americans for taking thier land ? no. it had nothing to do with me.
Same with the slaves. i never owned another man, so i sure as hell ain't sorry for it.
Am i sorry it happened to them. yes of course but young white men long before myself already apologized when they gave their lives in the American civil war.
Should some of these Native American tribes apologize to the African Americans for keeping them as slaves ? no
In Germany's case. you have alot of those German people still living who voted for and supported Adolf Hitler. i think to alot of people there is a difference between that and between apologizing for something that nobody living remembers.
I personally don't think todays German youth owe anyone an apology, but some of your elders are still alove and i wouldn't argue with anyone who says they do. however, my own personal belief is who gives a damn about an apology ? only someone who is out to humiliate or gain some sort of revenge on the persons they are demanding an apology from. it doesn't bring anyone back. it doesn't gaurantee that an atrocity of the same magnitude will not happen again. so therefore i don't think an apology is worth much.
Okay but we have had a lot of (inofficial) wars since WWII. Many of them caused or provoked by the USA. And the USA doesn't even give an apologize to the survivors of several Middle/South American Dictators, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq....
And it comes even better. Some GIs serving in Vietnam have got compensation money for injuries they had gotten while handling with Agent Orange. So some Vietnamese people went to an US court and supposed that they would have good chances to get some compensation. You have to know that Agent Orange still kills and multilates in todays Vietnam. But the judge dismissed the case!
Not to mention the situation of the natives in America (whole continent) and Australia. Last week only I saw two documentaries: One about US natives who have to leave their area because gold was found there. The second about Australian natives who have to leave their area because of Uranium.
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How do you compensate people for what they have lost in a war? Isn't it kind of obvious when two nations go head to head that your life is going to be directly affected?
Well how about thousands of Hitler youths smart guy ? such as our very much alive Holy Father, the Pope. they are somewhere around 70-80 years old today. they helped perpetuate the situation in Germany and many remained loyal in their beliefs of National Socialism and passed this onto their children and their childrens children. just because Germany was defeated doesn't mean that Germans all of the sudden magicly saw the light and dismissed everything they previously beleived in.
It's like the American civil war. many generations later, we still had, and currentlyhave people who were raised on racist southern idealisms.
So yes it is a valid point, you can use all the smileys you want and feel "oh so superior" all you like, but there is still many Germans alive that directly participated in Germanys agression.
Are they? Where do you draw the line? About 80-82 millions live in Germany right now. Is it enough to have 10 people or 100 or 10000 out of 80 milion to justify your words? Even 50 000 would mean less than 0.1% of the population. Means you would blame lets say 1% of the people in Germany (820000) and you still have 99% of germans, who don't have anything to do with that period at all but seem to be blamed for it probably until i've died because of decrepitude...
Just give me a number. That's all i'm asking for. Or simply say you hate germans. That's what i read when you say "...many remained loyal in their beliefs of National Socialism and passed this onto their children and their childrens children".
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How many future generations of Germans are going to be called upon to apologise for the mistakes of their forebears, I’m still waiting for one from the Roman’s (Italians) for the invasion and decimation of my ancestors.
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How many future generations of Germans are going to be called upon to apologise for the mistakes of their forebears, I’m still waiting for one from the Roman’s (Italians) for the invasion and decimation of my ancestors.
For all that matter, I apologise. I, for one, am not at all proud of what my ancestors did in many cases.
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Why thanky kindly Shaka, I still cant forgive the bloody Frog’s for 1066 though…
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"On the sixth day God created man. On the seventh day, man returned the favour."
Why thanky kindly Shaka, I still cant forgive the bloody Frog’s for 1066 though…
Oh, they are way beyond forgiveness...
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Right nasty them romans
Pietro..give them credit..they knew how to get in touch with their femine side by wearing skirts..
Pietro..give them credit..they knew how to get in touch with their femine side by wearing skirts..
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Oh no, those were the Scots. Remember Braveheart?
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Didn't they erect a statue of William Wallace recently..that suspiciously looked like Mel Gibson?
Aye http://www.answers.com/topic/william-wallace-statue-jpg-1 It's even quite ugly, I must say...
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They are careful with their money. Look how long it took them to build their Parliament!
I don't think we should apologize for things in the past, only for our own actions. We weren't the ones that captured slaves and sold them, neither are their descendant in chains now. But we should try to make up for mistakes our ancestors made if the results of that are still here. (although that might be seen as an apology as well)
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