Hunting as a sport

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Mean Kitteh | 21 Mar 2008 - 11:15pm

Do you class hunting a sport?
The animals dont have high powered rifles, so where is the sport in that?

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maleaguila | 21 March 2008 - 11:57pm

In sports, both opponents have equal opportunities. Therefor I wouldn't say hunting is a sport, unless the human is unarmed, or maybe have a knife to compensate the claws of a bear.


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malejimmy_blue | 22 March 2008 - 4:52am

In bear hunting, sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. It is a real challenge, but if you have ever wrestled a bear, you would understand the attraction.

femaleShiver Me Timbers | 22 March 2008 - 11:25am

Hunting is not a sport in my eyes. Whoever gets pleasure out of chasing a fox across hundreds of miles of field until it dies a slow death or shooting pheasants or whatever is sick in my opnion.


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femaleLeaa | 22 March 2008 - 12:38pm

I hate the whole idea of sport hunting. The strong overpowers the weak in any manner possible, for a adrenaline rush. How would this feel if the hunted became the hunter?
It shouldn't be considered a sport, more like an execution.


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malemaranello | 24 March 2008 - 10:01pm

Hunting is a game not a sport.

femaleorangerain | 25 March 2008 - 12:09am

maranello wrote:
Hunting is a game not a sport.

I agree.


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maleEdIsBack | 28 March 2008 - 2:31am

Does hunting also include shooting wood pigeon?

malepietro della | 2 April 2008 - 4:12pm

Hunting is not only a game,it is a skill,one which does not interest me...

femaleserenity_1 | 18 April 2008 - 8:42pm

I dont see any sport in it ..... its downright cruel .. wish those animals did have a high powered rifle and could give back as good as they get ...


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femalemightyaphrodite | 19 April 2008 - 3:56am

Well..I think hunting is necessary. Take for instance, the deer here...there's not enough natural predators anymore (ONE of the reasons of which is the indiscriminate hunting of predatory animals in the past) overpopulate if left unchecked. What's wrong with them breeding like..rabbits, you ask? Well, it goes back to the no abundance of natural predators (obviously, the numbers of wolves, coyotes, etc have dwindled significantly)..and overpopulation of deer (since I'm using that as an example) means that there will be a lot of deer dying of starvation when food is scarce (as it is in winter)..so I guess one could ask..is it more humane to die SLOWLY of hunger or a quick one with a bullet (or in my husband's case, an arrow)? Also, please look up Chronic Wasting Disease. I don't know about anyone else..but I'm not a vegetarian..I eat meat. My husband hunts & there's a freezer-ful of meat as a result. That is not to say I don't buy from a grocery store, either. And if anyone's seen those expose about abbatoirs, etc..then hopefully, you're also aware that some places aren't exactly what could be termed as KIND to these animals.

I have seen a pack of coyotes go after a deer & it is not a pretty sight. Cruelty? Natural selection (does this mean it's more acceptable if a group of these boogers overpower & take down a wounded/weak doe?)? I have to say that I am ok with people who hunt, especially if they eat what they hunt. I don't think hunting is any more cruel than fishing. Or catching a chicken from the backyard & enjoying it for dinner (our hosts were gracious enough to us when we were in the Philippines). Hunting here is strictly regulated, observed & those who break the laws are prosecuted. Hunters here are conservationists, too, believe it or not. We have had a resurgence of the pheasant, wild turkey, wolves, bears..yes, even those pesky bugling elks..cos hunters work together with state & federal conservation agencies..some organizations even help raise money for such causes. Smile

As a side note..I DON'T hunt (any animal, at least)..I'm too soft-hearted to shoot Bambi's mom. But I have educated myself about this..my knee jerk reaction was to vehemently be against what I thought was a cruel "sport" or, ok..game. But, apart from what I feel emotionally..I think, as long as there's no poaching or say, hunting elephants for their tusks, or tigers for their skins, or rhinos for their horns..I support game hunting.


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maleSnoopy2 | 20 April 2008 - 6:12pm

I used to be a hunter. It is no sport in my opinion, more what mightyaphrodite wrote. But I quit beeing a "wildlife manager". Anybody should do it? Maybe. But one thing I learnd in the time I was a hunter. I got a new view about death.

malepietro della | 20 April 2008 - 7:34pm

I see nothing wrong in hunting FOOD,my problem is with trophies.. Aprodite mentioned culling..Culling is not hunting,it is wildlife management and i want to refer to the lack of ,or total abcense of a predator..
A situation wherein dangerous wild boars are terrifying people on mt carmel israel..the wildlife people say ,they have to be destroyed,the terrified residents say they have to be destroyed,simple common sense says they have to be destroyed,but here in israel some animal lover society group says no!They have to be driven away by peaceful means.. my opinion is that nothing should have been said to the media,it should have been temporarily declared a closed military area,and the park rangers told to get on with it..A220 kilo boar armed with 15cm tusks can GUT a human child with a flick of its head,they are immensly powerful..I just wanted to show you to what extremes crazies can take things..Why are the boars there??For the lush fresh growing food..does any sane person think they will leave???? But that an otherwise rational human being can endanger children ,,for an ANIMAL!??The irony is that if the endangered children were moslem,that same animal lover society would be demanding Apaches!! the um flying ones..

malepietro della | 20 April 2008 - 7:34pm

I see nothing wrong in hunting FOOD,my problem is with trophies.. Aprodite mentioned culling..Culling is not hunting,it is wildlife management and i want to refer to the lack of ,or total abcense of a predator..
A situation wherein dangerous wild boars are terrifying people on mt carmel israel..the wildlife people say ,they have to be destroyed,the terrified residents say they have to be destroyed,simple common sense says they have to be destroyed,but here in israel some animal lover society group says no!They have to be driven away by peaceful means.. my opinion is that nothing should have been said to the media,it should have been temporarily declared a closed military area,and the park rangers told to get on with it..A220 kilo boar armed with 15cm tusks can GUT a human child with a flick of its head,they are immensly powerful..I just wanted to show you to what extremes crazies can take things..Why are the boars there??For the lush fresh growing food..does any sane person think they will leave???? But that an otherwise rational human being can endanger children ,,for an ANIMAL!??The irony is that if the endangered children were moslem,that same animal lover society would be demanding Apaches!! the um flying ones..

maleSnoopy2 | 24 April 2008 - 11:57am

Leaa wrote:
I hate the whole idea of sport hunting. The strong overpowers the weak in any manner possible, for a adrenaline rush. How would this feel if the hunted became the hunter?
It shouldn't be considered a sport, more like an execution.

But you like angling? What's the difference?

femaleLeaa | 24 April 2008 - 4:12pm

Snoopy2 wrote:
Leaa wrote:
I hate the whole idea of sport hunting. The strong overpowers the weak in any manner possible, for a adrenaline rush. How would this feel if the hunted became the hunter?
It shouldn't be considered a sport, more like an execution.

But you like angling? What's the difference?

I love angling, because we usually put the fish back to live again. The odd one we might keep for a meal.
If people hunt as a sport, just for the thrill of killing, this I cannot support. If one had to hunt for survival this is quite another matter, it then becomes the same as killing chickens, cows etc. as your main food to feed your family.
It is surprising the amount of people that hunt and leave dead carcasses all over the bush. You would be also surprised with the amount of hunters that flock to Canada in search of the Black Bear.


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maleSnoopy2 | 25 April 2008 - 8:06pm

Leaa wrote:
Snoopy2 wrote:
Leaa wrote:
I hate the whole idea of sport hunting. The strong overpowers the weak in any manner possible, for a adrenaline rush. How would this feel if the hunted became the hunter?
It shouldn't be considered a sport, more like an execution.

But you like angling? What's the difference?

I love angling, because we usually put the fish back to live again. The odd one we might keep for a meal.
If people hunt as a sport, just for the thrill of killing, this I cannot support. If one had to hunt for survival this is quite another matter, it then becomes the same as killing chickens, cows etc. as your main food to feed your family.
It is surprising the amount of people that hunt and leave dead carcasses all over the bush. You would be also surprised with the amount of hunters that flock to Canada in search of the Black Bear.

Agreed as long as we talk about killing and wasting. But, releasing fish is a very hot topic in my country because of this: do you know, how many fish die after that? Scientifical findings calculate up to 30% depending on the species (perch seems to be extremly sensitive, carp not). And: you know that you torture an animal for your own pleasure / adrenalin kick. Can this be right?
Don't get me wrong: I am also angling. But I ask this questions and I am not satisfied with the answers I found.

maleSnoopy2 | 25 April 2008 - 8:09pm

One thing else: I do not keep the Sad odd ones Sad for kitchen but the Smile proper ones!

malepietro della | 27 April 2008 - 8:22am

The odd one in this case means from time to time..

femalechana_batata | 28 April 2008 - 7:54am

Leaa wrote:
I love angling, because we usually put the fish back to live again. The odd one we might keep for a meal. If people hunt as a sport, just for the thrill of killing, this I cannot support.

How is catching them for the thrill of it any different? I wonder how you would like it if creatures 50 times the size of humans dipped in and caught you, told big human stories and then put you back? It makes it better because they put you back?

But as for the original question, there are different types of hunting, one of which is classified as sport. The hunting I am familiar with is that of subsistence (semi or full). I realise there are some people out there who think this doesn't exist anymore, or shouldn't, but it does, and supermarkets in their neighborhoods don't bestow them the right to take that way of life from other people. We have lots of villages that don't have supermarkets and people have to live off the land and sea, and we give thanks to the animal for its sacrifice so that we can be sustained.


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femaleRika Kosta | 28 April 2008 - 9:11am

hunting is cruel?

every hunter has an information about quantity of animals, before hunting he gathers an information what a beast is the weaker, who is the outcast in herd. And of course nobody kills animals when he knows that in this concrete forest there are only few beasts! Hunting isn`t cruel, it regulates balance of animals....Many hunters fills up a quantity of any breed, before hunting, they are not simple killers!

Sport? No, i think it`s mix of hazard and primordial instinct Wink


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femaleLeaa | 5 May 2008 - 3:43pm

chana_batata wrote:
Leaa wrote:
I love angling, because we usually put the fish back to live again. The odd one we might keep for a meal. If people hunt as a sport, just for the thrill of killing, this I cannot support.

How is catching them for the thrill of it any different? I wonder how you would like it if creatures 50 times the size of humans dipped in and caught you, told big human stories and then put you back? It makes it better because they put you back?

But as for the original question, there are different types of hunting, one of which is classified as sport. The hunting I am familiar with is that of subsistence (semi or full). I realise there are some people out there who think this doesn't exist anymore, or shouldn't, but it does, and supermarkets in their neighborhoods don't bestow them the right to take that way of life from other people. We have lots of villages that don't have supermarkets and people have to live off the land and sea, and we give thanks to the animal for its sacrifice so that we can be sustained.


I wouldn't mind being caught and admired, as long as I was put back to continue living my life. My uncle used to fish for a living and fed his huge family. Every day continued to say he enjoyed the thrill of it, wondering what and how much he could get that day. Many people who do give thanks to the animal for it's sacrifice also do enjoy the thrill of their catch. It's only human.


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femalechana_batata | 5 May 2008 - 3:55pm

Leaa wrote:
I wouldn't mind being caught and admired, as long as I was put back to continue living my life. My uncle used to fish for a living and fed his huge family. Every day continued to say he enjoyed the thrill of it, wondering what and how much he could get that day. Many people who do give thanks to the animal for it's sacrifice also do enjoy the thrill of their catch. It's only human.

Oh you forgot to mention the giant hook in your mouth (in proportion to the size of the giant grabbig you) and being yanked from your breathing environment. The point is you can't speak for fish--I doubt they 'don't mind.' I am fairly confident they would rather be left alone.

And you are deliberatly mixing up the distinction I've made. If people eat what they get and aren't playin some thrill seeking game with animals' lives, that's one thing. (At least they are controlling themselves by getting the food only and not shifting into the other realm.) But catching fish ONLY for the thrill of it is completely different, and even somewhat barbaric. In my opinion just because you put it back doesn't make it any less revolting.

I'm not into hunting or fishing merely for sport (to feed families is a different story), but I still have a question you never answered. How can you be against hunting for the "thrill" when you are doing the same thing to fish? What's the difference between you and the people you criticise?


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femaleLeaa | 5 May 2008 - 4:03pm

Because I am not killing for the thrill of it.


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maleSnoopy2 | 7 May 2008 - 5:56am

chana_batata wrote:
Leaa wrote:
I wouldn't mind being caught and admired, as long as I was put back to continue living my life. My uncle used to fish for a living and fed his huge family. Every day continued to say he enjoyed the thrill of it, wondering what and how much he could get that day. Many people who do give thanks to the animal for it's sacrifice also do enjoy the thrill of their catch. It's only human.

Oh you forgot to mention the giant hook in your mouth (in proportion to the size of the giant grabbig you) and being yanked from your breathing environment. The point is you can't speak for fish--I doubt they 'don't mind.' I am fairly confident they would rather be left alone.

And you are deliberatly mixing up the distinction I've made. If people eat what they get and aren't playin some thrill seeking game with animals' lives, that's one thing. (At least they are controlling themselves by getting the food only and not shifting into the other realm.) But catching fish ONLY for the thrill of it is completely different, and even somewhat barbaric. In my opinion just because you put it back doesn't make it any less revolting.

I'm not into hunting or fishing merely for sport (to feed families is a different story), but I still have a question you never answered. How can you be against hunting for the "thrill" when you are doing the same thing to fish? What's the difference between you and the people you criticise?

You would tolerate catching fish for food but catch and release is unacceptable for you. Sounds as a high moral standard, but it is not, it is double standard. Sad
We have evidence hat eating fish is no need. You can live on vegetarian diet perfectly well. Millions do without disadvantage. We eat animals because of the pleasure of their taste. Only for pleasure, not to match a need.
If you tolerate catching fish and kill them for this pleasure it is even worse than catch and release.

maleJimC | 7 May 2008 - 6:40pm

Hunting and killing for the pot, no problem (done so myself many a time, Bunnies and |Birds), for fun, so called sport is just sick.


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femalechana_batata | 8 May 2008 - 12:07am

Snoopy2 wrote:
We have evidence hat eating fish is no need. You can live on vegetarian diet perfectly well.

When you have lived in the Arctic regions where vegetables are not readily available, or often are prohibitively expensive, then you come talk to me. Until then you are just another person without a clue who thinks they can impose their way of eating on other people.

As for the double standard you mentioned, please explain to me how taking only what one needs in order to survive, as opposed to stalking an animal for the pleasure of it, is a double standard. Methinks you are projecting. Smile


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Democrat Frank Raines is Barack Obama's economic advisor. He said: "These assets are so riskless that their capital for holding them should be under 2%."

"[Earnings to] Mr. Raines: 1.1 million$ bonus and a 526,000$ salary."
Cost to American people: 700 billion$.

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femalechana_batata | 8 May 2008 - 12:10am

Leaa wrote:
Because I am not killing for the thrill of it.

I don't believe I said you are killing for the thrill of it. I asked you what's the diff between hunting a fish for sport (and not food) and hunting land animals for sport (and not food)? A person can't critisise one withot critisising the other. THAT'S a double standard. (Not your phrase, I know.)


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Democrat Frank Raines is Barack Obama's economic advisor. He said: "These assets are so riskless that their capital for holding them should be under 2%."

"[Earnings to] Mr. Raines: 1.1 million$ bonus and a 526,000$ salary."
Cost to American people: 700 billion$.

Watch the clip and see the Democrats tell you in their own words:
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maleGaryLynn | 8 May 2008 - 12:24am

I hunt for food, it's called harvesting. I hunt coyotes for the sport of matching wits with one of the smartest creatures that walks the planet! That's sport. These creatures kill calves that will be food one day. They steal small pets from peoples yards. They are even snatching small children in California, I heard. Plus I exercise the Primitave Instinct in humans everywhere, that like hunting. Very happy


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femaleLeaa | 8 May 2008 - 2:30am

chana_batata wrote:
Snoopy2 wrote:
We have evidence hat eating fish is no need. You can live on vegetarian diet perfectly well.

When you have lived in the Arctic regions where vegetables are not readily available, or often are prohibitively expensive, then you come talk to me. Until then you are just another person without a clue who thinks they can impose their way of eating on other people.

As for the double standard you mentioned, please explain to me how taking only what one needs in order to survive, as opposed to stalking an animal for the pleasure of it, is a double standard. Methinks you are projecting. :)

My husband has left us for over 15 years done his job and has flew vegetables and all perishable foods daily into the Arctic, Greenland, Resolute, Eureka, now based in Iqaluit....he now says that the main foods there are take-out.....killing on the land now is fun as they don't really need it. Find out how much vegetables go into the Arctic now, by First Air Airlines....


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femaleLeaa | 8 May 2008 - 3:34am

Also the amount of veggies that get wasted because no one picks them up on the tar mac.
Loads of fruits and vegetables are left sitting on skids and in cargo sheds because no demand for them. Extremely cheap, but no one is used to this type of food.


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