Pheromones
Do pheromones play a part in what we call "falling in love" and "staying in love"?
Can merely the scent (not perfume!) of one person such as the smell of their skin attract one to another? Does it mean that both parties involved, will experience this kind of attraction?
In this day and age, we use chemical perfumes, deodorants etc. to mask our real "scent". Does it not kill or "put a cloth over" these pheromonial experiences?
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
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The existence of pheromones and a measurable effect in the brain when exposed to pheromones is out of question. However, there is no hard scientific evidence, that pheromones have an influence falling in love on choosing a partner in humans (any longer). Another indication of this might be that the vomeronasal organ, which functions as the receptor of pheromones in other mammals, is athrophied in man. It is more likely that in humans the visual measures of health and youth, the own psychology and social factors have overridden any part pheromones might have played in choosing a mate by far and I sincerely doubt that one can “overstink” these factors by an increased output of body odor.
However, I have to say that people do definitely have an own smell which can be more or less attractive and I am talking about clean but unperfumed skin. But I would think that by the time one gets exposed to the scent of large areas of warm naked skin, the question of attractivity yes or no should have already been answered 
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All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
I haven't noticed - but bad breath & that is well offputting!
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dont know about pheromones playing a part in falling and staying in love. but smell can put you off
Screw pheromones... I put my trust in Giorgio Armani.
..although there IS one guy at work who says: "Nuthin' beats the smell of good ol' sweat."
...but somehow I doubt if milady would go for a fella who smells like a BUS.
It's a little bit a problem about th scientific findings.They can't predict a concretl case, but in general you would be astonished what result pheromones have.
Okay. Enough.
Who asked anything about OFF-PUTTING physical signals? The subject on this forum NOT ABOUT "reeking" OR dirt" OR "old sweat and dirt.
We're talking PHEROMONES here guys, not discussing disgusting bad hygiene or the complete lack of it. Obviously some of you have no idea what it is about at all....
Pheromones, according to the books and my own experience, is a natural physical attraction that occurs due to PHEROMONES in the skin/body that react to the other person's pheromones. If you like, it can be said it is a scientific thing, such as negatives and positives attracting or not. Going into long descriptions such as Johsky and others about how it does not exist, clearly shows that some people have missed out on the experience. Yet, that may still happen one day, who knows.
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
Well,if she loves the smell of your neck and gets off real quick,does that mean she likes your pheremone????
PherOmone..
No pietro... a pheromone is a kind of chemical substance (for want of a better expression) that is produced by certain animals and it serves as a stimulus to other creatures of the same species. I believe it is very big in the insect kingdom but there is no real evidence that it exists in humans...
Why wasn't I born a bug?
Mind you, there are those who will argue that I WAS....
Thanks Jack but i think i will just wait til Bogmyrtle admits to at least a wee grin..
I understand.. I mean, if there are pheromones to be found, "wee" is where you'll find them..
Jacksback, you certainly should have been a bug. Perhaps in your previous life, eh? AT least you can spell a weeeeee bitty...
AS for Pietro,
If pheromones were as busy, insistently persistent as you are.......... Actually, I like your input and you make me laugh although I'm a really tight-lipped sour-smart arse when the mood fits...:-)
:roll:
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
Ha, being bugs. Not that different from the human species. If you are ugly and annoying you get squashed, no matter how much you think you have a right to life...lol
You know that situation when you meet someone and there is that something that you can't pin-point why you are attracted to them. They are not maybe that handsome or have an awardwinning character, yet still you want to be close to them. Pheromones play a large part of why we connect to people that are totally opposites of us.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
Ahhh, now we're talking - Leaa, that's exactly my point!!!
Why won't the guys admit something like pheromones are still amongst us, no matter how many layers of clothes or deodorant and aftershave are slathered on.
Is it a thing about wanting to be in control of their own attraction - not wanting unwanted admirers sniffing out their tracks?
Do ya guys then feel threatened by your own pheromones as to what it CAN do - ha-ha - and perhaps NOT...?
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
Of bugs this is new to me but take for example a male leopard marking his territory,he doesn't only do it with pee pee,thats for warning away males,but as regards the crumpet he has glandular secretions which he also spreads telling females that nameer the male stud leopard now "standing" by the fifth tree to the left.Are the two substances connected???
Of bugs this is new to me but take for example a male leopard marking his territory,he doesn't only do it with pee pee,thats for warning away males,but as regards the crumpet he has glandular secretions which he also spreads telling females that nameer the male stud leopard now "standing" by the fifth tree to the left.Are the two substances connected???
If the word scent is involved, I am sure they are. This makes me think of my uncle's view of scent's capabilities. In Canada there is in October a moose hunt. Many men want their wives to go to the camp with them, especially when they are on their monthlies and pee outside. They believe that these scents will drive the moose to their camp closer. Myself I just think they would love to arrive after a good hunt to a good home cooked meal....lol
Scents are extremely important to attraction and love. Why do we get so upset if our mates do something wrong, but in their presence sometimes totally believe all of their explanations and melt into their arms. Some people say we live through rose colored glasses, I think they are fogged up by pheromones. lol
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
I'm a Leo and if any leopard stood five trees or 5 inches to my left or right, wee-weeing on sacred territory, I'd charge straight in and let them know that falls within LEO PHEROMONE territory. Off limits. Being a female and a leo, much as I adore and love big cats, leopard pheromones would hardly make any impression.
But, suppose it was a MALE LEO standing 5 trees away, a real one and a real male...I think he'd be in serious trouble of getting knocked over and say "OH yes babe..."
He-he...
Urm, sorry pietro, but you asked...
Leaa, I just noticed your latest comment. Very interesting and a bit more intelligent than most other comments so far. Maybe I'll go read up about these evasive AND very real pheromones a wee bit more.
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
Urm this is what happens when we don't make ourselves clear,my mistake,i should not have used the word crumpet,rather female leopard,and it was a serious question ,i was too lazy to look it up myself..
The British love crumpets - perhaps they'd give you an answer?
Not that I think they'd understand what it's got to do with pheromones. However Pietro, never underestimate a Brits sense of humor - you may get a shocking answer and begin to understand pheromones a wee bitty better...he-he.
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
Well i dont know how to make a pheromone,but they do say that if you want to make a hormone,simply don' pay her..
Back to pheromones,someone said we are too super squeaky clean for them to get a fighting chance,i'm with that ,however it suddenly reminded me of something else.Asecond strike against natural pheromones..A long time ago there was a girl from brunei and wherever ones nose was,not just the stomach area,but all over,the aroma was a bit off putting..The spices they eat out there are so powerful that they come out of the pores of the skin,indian girls are the same ..Most of my life i have eaten mild middle eastern and european food and i find the aroma of asian girls when they are aroused to be unpleasant..the shower helps and european perfume but normally 24/7 they smell of their food..Pheromones don't get a lookin..
Okay. Enough.
Who asked anything about OFF-PUTTING physical signals? The subject on this forum NOT ABOUT "reeking" OR dirt" OR "old sweat and dirt.
We're talking PHEROMONES here guys, not discussing disgusting bad hygiene or the complete lack of it. Obviously some of you have no idea what it is about at all....
Pheromones, according to the books and my own experience, is a natural physical attraction that occurs due to PHEROMONES in the skin/body that react to the other person's pheromones. If you like, it can be said it is a scientific thing, such as negatives and positives attracting or not. Going into long descriptions such as Johsky and others about how it does not exist, clearly shows that some people have missed out on the experience. Yet, that may still happen one day, who knows.
Waiiiit a minute, mam-lioness. Did you want an opinion or the affirmation of what you would like to hear? I provided my opinion AND the reasons to back it up – unlike most other people 
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Nobody said natural physical attraction does not exist, nobody excluded an effect of pheromones. I just said that, in humans, I believe that other mechanisms have overridden the function of pheromones in determining initial attractiveness by far.
Pheromones are volatile, the manner of detection is the sense of smell (according to the books I learned from ).
Now, just making a suggestion, but could it be, ladies (Leaa included), that you put all mechanisms of sexual attraction in humans (which are certainly to the most part not controllable) in one sack that you call “pheromones”?
Hmmm…
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Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimbel in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
Okay. Enough.
Who asked anything about OFF-PUTTING physical signals? The subject on this forum NOT ABOUT "reeking" OR dirt" OR "old sweat and dirt.
We're talking PHEROMONES here guys, not discussing disgusting bad hygiene or the complete lack of it. Obviously some of you have no idea what it is about at all....
Pheromones, according to the books and my own experience, is a natural physical attraction that occurs due to PHEROMONES in the skin/body that react to the other person's pheromones. If you like, it can be said it is a scientific thing, such as negatives and positives attracting or not. Going into long descriptions such as Johsky and others about how it does not exist, clearly shows that some people have missed out on the experience. Yet, that may still happen one day, who knows.
Waiiiit a minute, mam-lioness. Did you want an opinion or the affirmation of what you would like to hear? I provided my opinion AND the reasons to back it up – unlike most other people .
Nobody said natural physical attraction does not exist, nobody excluded an effect of pheromones. I just said that, in humans, I believe that other mechanisms have overridden the function of pheromones in determining initial attractiveness by far.
Pheromones are volatile, the manner of detection is the sense of smell (according to the books I learned from ).
Now, just making a suggestion, but could it be, ladies (Leaa included), that you put all mechanisms of sexual attraction in humans (which are certainly to the most part not controllable) in one sack that you call “pheromones”?
Hmmm…
If you read the comments I expressed on this subject, I said they play a large part of attraction. Did you see anywhere that I wrote that I put ALL mechanisms of sexual attraction in one sack, that I would call pheromones? hmmm Just a suggestion,,,don't assume.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
Leaa, let me put it to everyone this way,almost every animal has 20 ...60 ...100 power better smell than do we..scenario: saturday night a small intimate bar,only yet 22.00hrs and all of a sudden ,across a crowded room,,the eyes of a stranger,wanting! neeeding,,that first word,eyes filled with promise,a delicate hint of the "in" perfume,the eternal cahunnehs at full alert,all systems GO!!what price phero mones???
Leaa, let me put it to everyone this way,almost every animal has 20 ...60 ...100 power better smell than do we..scenario: saturday night a small intimate bar,only yet 22.00hrs and all of a sudden ,across a crowded room,,the eyes of a stranger,wanting! neeeding,,that first word,eyes filled with promise,a delicate hint of the "in" perfume,the eternal cahunnehs at full alert,all systems GO!!what price phero mones???
quite a nice senario, hopefully alcohol wasn't the determining attraction here..afterall we all know quite a few people look exceptionally attractive after a few...lol
Actually, I know what you are getting at Pietro. There are many sides to attraction, in which we use all of our senses in determining. Some are stronger than others.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you read the comments I expressed on this subject, I said they play a large part of attraction. Did you see anywhere that I wrote that I put ALL mechanisms of sexual attraction in one sack, that I would call pheromones? hmmm Just a suggestion,,,don't assume.
You are right, Leaa. Assuming is something that happens too easily.
It would have been easier to understand where you are coming from if the absolute statement you made (“pheromones play a large part..”) was not merely based on an observation of yours and the assumption you made as a result from it.
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Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimbel in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
I like confusing debates like this.
When one is attracted to someone very unlikely, not determined by soap, physical appearance, scent, spice, personality, alcohol, cologne, sweat etc… WHAT then can the reason for attraction be?
Our senses have so much been dulled by superficial scents, computer screens and Carbon Dioxide Emissions, phones & radiation etc. Maybe pheromones did not take a hike or vacation after all and it may just be that if we try to acknowledge their existence that we will once again become more aware of them again.
My personal verdict:
Pheromones (like one chromosome fitting neatly into another) play a strong role in survival of the species. We don’t very much like thinking about it like this, as we like to think human beings are a superior species above all things else… But an individual will select a mate with whom she/he will have offspring that will be strong and survive adversities. Even those who don't want kids - it is a natural reaction in life like choosing to swim or drown... Sorry for the comparison, but it’s a bit like animals when they choose mates that will ensure survival of the troop or group. Now, if that doesn’t make sense…
Pietro, I think you had a point right from the start… And you Johsky, and you Leaa...
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BogMyrtle
(Does it really grow only in Scotland and Ireland?)
And let me add annother scientifical finding: non-pregant women prefer strangers (to mix genes), pregant women perefer realtives (likely a protector)
And let me add annother scientifical finding: non-pregant women prefer strangers (to mix genes), pregant women perefer realtives (likely a protector)
Would be interesting to get the background on that finding (how the set-up was). Would you mind telling me more about that?
I only know about a similar scientific program when women were to determine the ideal looks of a guy with a morphing program on the PC. When close to ovulation they would pick harder, more striking features, in the times between softer, kinder ones.
Of course, by the mere fact that it was done visual on a PC, has nothing to do with pheromones.
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Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimbel in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
If you read the comments I expressed on this subject, I said they play a large part of attraction. Did you see anywhere that I wrote that I put ALL mechanisms of sexual attraction in one sack, that I would call pheromones? hmmm Just a suggestion,,,don't assume.
You are right, Leaa. Assuming is something that happens too easily.
It would have been easier to understand where you are coming from if the absolute statement you made (“pheromones play a large part..”) was not merely based on an observation of yours and the assumption you made as a result from it.
Sorry, but i don't think this was an observation of mine or an assumption made on it.
http://www.nel.edu/22_5/NEL220501R01_Review.htm
Do pheromones influence human behavior?
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
Unfortunately people are usually way too clean nowadays so pheromones can't really work, and deodorants and perfumes don't really make it any better. Also artificial hormones (such as contraceptive pills) reduce the amount of pheromones because naturally women produce more pheromones when they are in their fertile time.
Without these factors, yes, pheromones would definitely attract people to each other and probably also make them more sexually active (and more fertile). Most likely people wouldn't be aware of it though.
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