Faith Vs. Belief
Here is something I read in a magazine. What do you think?
"...Now faith is not a thing that you try to cultivate, its the very way you are, not because you believe in this or that. See, belief is imposed upon you by somebody but faith is something that you grow into. Now unfortunately, people refer to religions as faith. Religions are sets of beliefs. Now Islam is a faith, Christianity is a faith, Hinduism is a faith, Judaism is a faith - no, it's not a faith, it's a belief system. Faith is something which is within you, it's your quality, it is something that you become, it is not something that you believe in. Faith is just a deep falling back into the existence; you as a person have fallen apart; you have just become like a simple little wave with the existence. You understand and you experience that you're just a brief happening here. This moment it's up, the next moment it'll be down. Not an intellectual understanding, it's a living experience that you see yourself as a small outcrop on this earth. Tomorrow you may be back. When you're like this as a living experience, then you are faith.
There is no point talking about faith, how to be faithful...No, the faithfulness that you're talking about is simply loyalty, that's for slaves and idiots, you know, people who talk loyalty are always people whose vested interest is how to hold you. It's a device to hold you, faith is about liberating you. Faith is not about holding you for this group or that group; faith is just to become a part of this existence. This is not something that you do; this is something that you become."
-Sathguru Jaggi Vasudev, Forest Flower Magazine (10 Nov. 2002)
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you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
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:nixie:
If you are hoping for something then it is a belief. If you already have it now and are experiencing it then it is faith. Hope is never in the present moment so it does not exist. Faith is something that has to be in the present so that you can experience it.
When you do not get what you hope for or expect it may bring disappointment, dismay or misery. It is because you miss what you have in the present and are not available to it. If you can experience life now, salvation now, eternity now and heaven now then what more is there to hope for?
Instead of having evidence of things not seen why not have evidence of things you do see and experience everyday? Then it is not a belief but faith in your own process of life.
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"Once you accept all your responsibilities in its totality,
you become mature.
You stop throwing tantrums and
you stop seeking messiahs.
Then there is no need for any Jesus to save you.
Nor can any Jesus save you -
he was exploiting your situation." --- Osho
amateur philosopher hard at work... too hard!
that's the impression I get from that article.
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~ PSYKO ~
:nixie:
If you are hoping for something then it is a belief. If you already have it now and are experiencing it then it is faith. Hope is never in the present moment so it does not exist. Faith is something that has to be in the present so that you can experience it.
If you are hoping for something then it is a belief. If you already have it now and are experiencing it then it is faith. Hope is never in the present moment so it does not exist. Faith is something that has to be in the present so that you can experience it.
Come on, ONE, I thought you were better than this bro. You must be tired or slipping for some reason. 
Knowing is nothing more than the highest form of belief. Basically, if you see an earthquake on the news or even the aftermath from it, you BELIEVE that it has happened. While faith is something deeper. With faith, you are convinced of what you cannot possibly prove. For instance, you can have faith that you will get the new job you are applying for, but you have absolutely no way of knowing for sure that you will get it. Faith is an active property, belief is passive.
Hope, belief, and faith are ALL in the present moment. However, Hope applies to only things in the future. While belief can be past, present or future, and faith is none of the above. Faith is as abstract as love is. A billion words and sentences can't begin to paint a clear picture of what it is. But I can say that it does come from within, but only of one's own choosing, while belief usually stems from external stimuli and hope of course comes from within as well. I would have to say with this analysis that "Nixie" was right on. 
When you do not get what you hope for or expect it may bring disappointment, dismay or misery. It is because you miss what you have in the present and are not available to it. If you can experience life now, salvation now, eternity now and heaven now then what more is there to hope for?
Instead of having evidence of things not seen why not have evidence of things you do see and experience everyday? Then it is not a belief but faith in your own process of life.
Instead of having evidence of things not seen why not have evidence of things you do see and experience everyday? Then it is not a belief but faith in your own process of life.
And for this I have to say, if you do not get what you hope for, then you hope for it even more. If you miss what you have in the present and are not able to get it, then of course, you have a choice, either hope for it, or accept the loss and change your desires (active and intentional behavior). If you can experience life now (no choice but to), salvation now (you can if you want to) eternity now (which now is actually only a part of eternity) and heaven now (which you can if you ducks are lined up and it's your time to check out) I suppose there really isn't much more to hope for. Having evidence of things not seen??? Yeah, that's interesting, that implies that Faith CAUSES things to happen. Hey, didn't Jesus Christ claim that the faith of a grain of mustard can move a mountain? Faith is CONVICTION. Not loyalty. But let's put this all into perspective. Faith can go either way, you can have faith that you WILL get the job, and you probably will end up with it, or you can have faith that you will not, and guess what??? Self fulfilling prophecy. But simply believing, you have to have evidence of/from what you DO see before you can believe, while with faith, you create new(not existing right now) things/circumstances.
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That article makes no sense because the article itself is the beliefs of it's author.... which wouldn't normally be a problem except the author is telling us to follow our faith and reject imposed belief.
In other words, it's telling me to ignore what it's saying because it's little more than a stated belief and that if I was to agree with the author and take advice based upon his beliefs then I would be little more than a slave and idiot.
Methinks the author is a looney. He better stop smoking those forest flowers... Meanwhile religions are still a source of faith to billions of people worldwide.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. hebrews 11:1
Amen sista
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. hebrews 11:1