Jumping on the bandwagon-Homosexuality
Personally, I have nothing against the homosexual as the person. I have some as friends and have worked with a few. I have never intruded on their sexuality or tried to change them. I have learned to accept people for who they are and not what they are. Just as true I believe that what one does behind closed doors is his/her own business. But reading some of the comments under this topic compelled me to a response.
Homosexuality IS a sin. I have not watched the movie Jesus Camp but obviously it was made by (and I really don't know) someone who is not a believer.
The bible states the Homosexuality is a sin, "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet." (Romans 1:24-26 KJV)
Mind you, we have a saying," Hate the sin, but Love the Sinner"
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Instead of judging people by your beliefs, shouldn't it be less retarded to judge them by theirs?
Whom do gays hurt? They don't hurt the people around, and they don't hurt your god, unless if he's a right wing extreme intollerant bugger. So if freedom is dear to you, then don't judge them.
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Daar is de lente, daar is de zon bijna, maar ik denk dat ze weldra zal komen. De fallus impudicus staat al in bloei En de blaadjes krijgen bomen. M'n vrouw en m'n kat zijn allebei krols en de klokken vertrekken naar Rome
If you had read the whole post:roll: you would have noticed that I do not judge anyone, as I do not have that right.
I am a people person, I love all people. What people do and I repeat is their business, however how they treat me might change the way I may stay in contact with them. I was only quoting the bible.
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I just want to add that "religious" is not a term that I like to use. I am not affiliated with any denomination. I only believe in a personnel relationship with Jesus Christ end of story! 
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And if a man lie with mankind as with womankind,both of them have committed abomination..Kedoshim leviticus 20>13..thats for people who like to see sources..
I think that the sin is public acceptance of homosexuality,it should not be publicly accepted in any way shape or form..I also believe that man has no right to enact laws and prosecute homosexuals..Look at this for a moment,if we say ,from the bible it is abomination=death penalty then take a long look at biblical rules of evidence..these are seemingly designed for the protection of ALL people equally therefore witch hunts are a no no..I have read of people in various countries hunting homosexuals,waste of time,a witness who puts a ladder against someones bedroom wall,climbs up and sees?? Inadmissable as evidence.Fact!! well um jewish fact..the abomination must be committed in a place where the general public pass and it must be simultaneously witnessed by 2 people..By the word of one witness alone no man shall be put to death.What are we being told here?? easy ! no public acceptance,and NO witchhunts..Wanna have a real good um discussion?female homosexuality does not usually involve male seminal fluid,so where exactly does it become a sin...
You are naturally looking into the Old Testement, again these are The Lords guidelines for us. It also states in Leviticus 20:15 that if a man mates with an animal, or if a man sleeps with his wife's mother that too is a sin. Now these are also in the same chapter. So I guess if you want to do these things it O.K.???
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Go seek help, you need it bad, and do not pretend you're a god.....
I hear this all the time
I'm not a nazi, but, I'm not a racist, but, I have nothing against , but, and so on. It is like these persons need to justify their opinion. I think that the one that opened this topic is a bad person!
And in what way do YOU think I need help, I am not a racist and how racism even enter into this?
Anyways, what gives you the right to criticize, when you can't even form an opionion.
My original post was not in any way, shape, or form, intended to insult anyone, but you certainly have done YOUR best to offend me.
No worries, I don't care what anyone says about you, I'll still like you.
because I'm just an angel and not God
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I read your whole post, and Istick with my conclusion: you judge. You Call them sinners.
Catholicism also says that sexs in any way is a sin, it's not even justified when only with the purpouse of making kiddos. Though that is acceptable, cause people are weak.
fundamentalist jews, and Calvinists iven use a sheet with a hole in it.
If Jesus is your personal guide, then you're a christian, and religious.
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Daar is de lente, daar is de zon bijna, maar ik denk dat ze weldra zal komen. De fallus impudicus staat al in bloei En de blaadjes krijgen bomen. M'n vrouw en m'n kat zijn allebei krols en de klokken vertrekken naar Rome
Now look whose judging??? Yes I am a Christian a Born-Again-Christian at that!!!!! And oooooooohhhhhhhhhh yes I love reading the bible, and you know what my husband is Catholic oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,,,,, two religious people together. What will the neighbours think???!!!!
Give it up
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Deng all my lfe i have travelled the country never have i seen on a washing line a sheet with a hole in it..Deng remember that on the day vespasian killed 40.000 jews over 30.000 of them were killed by other jews..If i go i'm taking you first..Deng you have no comprehension as to the depth of hatred between believers and non believers here among my own people...
Deng i know very little of catholic sex but i won't rely on a quick scan so i have reread flomanys posts on the matter..It seems that catholic sex is aimed at procreation which of course rules OUT co habitation when the monthly cycle is upon her,it also seems to rule out the pill and postcards from gaul...I think we should be looking more towards sex as being a holy act and for the sanctification of marriage..if it was only for procreation your wife would enter pregnancy evertime you (well!! whatever the current idiom is )what is more she would NOT come to the party until an animal instict told her NOW!! If i understood flomany correctly he is saying that from the point of view of his faith sex without the possibilty of a green green is a nonstarter..My theory is that while sanctifying your marriage you sanctify marriage..We have 4 children,does anyone realistic believe we only ever had it off 4 times??
@pietro... take a walk in Antwerp some day, among the chassidim. You should be able to find some in Tel-Aviv as well. But do not speak to them, couse you are no good, no proper jew to them.
@pretty... I didn't say I do not judge. i do judge. And i didn't say christians are bad, i said you judge others with different standards (your religion) than yourself. While your religious standards should be applied to yourself, and not to others.
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Daar is de lente, daar is de zon bijna, maar ik denk dat ze weldra zal komen. De fallus impudicus staat al in bloei En de blaadjes krijgen bomen. M'n vrouw en m'n kat zijn allebei krols en de klokken vertrekken naar Rome
You know, all serious stuff aside, everyone on mailfriends( or at least a lot of them) really make me giggle with some of the responses. Just loved the last one. I am at home alone all day until my husband comes home, and I am grateful to this site and its members.
O.K. now lets get serious again!!
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I was referring p"s point
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Not to have some standards would be inhuman. I always look for the good in everyone I meet and see.
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Deng ,lose the strudel,it hurts...you have not seen sheets with holes in them but what you say about the chassidim and misnagdim??what can i say??we both know that i have no EXCUSE thats the way of the world but it was not my ancestors who took away their family identity,,who forced them into ghettos!!you expect them to like you??OR me??
deng : do not speak to them!? Isht hob yiddish!! Ironic no!!
From a Biblical point of view our sins define who we are... without 'em we'd all act the same way 24/7 and the world would be a pretty boring place.
So thank God for sin. He sure knows how to liven up a party.
Dusty i agree with you except for the 24/7when you are talking to the pietro we are talking 24/6 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy,no i am not being as usual irreverent,yes i am ,so sue me,everything in small doses but the base is the base.we all chose our own base...
What would happen if people couldn't meddle in others peoples bedrooms anymore?
- Human race would die out because of boredom.
Grow up all of you (except deng). Why are you always meddling with things that don't concern you?
It's none of your business if a guy likes a threesome, if a girl likes a girl or if a hermaphrodite likes itself like it is. Gee, you people have too much time. Don't you have your own problems and seek problems in other people instead? You disgust me. I wouldn't want to barf in your direction.
(Except deng. I wouldn't though, because even I do know the etiquette. We're cool.).
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tiska, you are legend in your own mind:roll:
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"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet." (Romans 1:24-26 KJV)
This is interesting... it talks about MUCH more than simply homosexuality. Lemme break it down for you:
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the Truth of God into a lie...
Let's see... modern day philosophy and religious teaching in church maybe?
...and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...
Vegetarianism anyone? How about Humanism??? Wait, when did humanism begin forming? I'm sure it was MUCH later than when Paul was alive and writing from prison. What about atheism?... hmmmm is this a prophecy of things to come? Is anyone here familiar with the "end times" prophecies that link the society at the time just before the tribulation as being equal to that of Soddam and Gomorrah?
...For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet." (Romans 1:24-26 KJV)
Likewise being key here in the passage. It also applies to women... no semen is necessary to qualify for sin here peitro. 
Yeah, and you see... I hate to really bring this up... but isn't it common knowledge that in the United States (probably most like Soddam or Gomorrah) it was the HOMOSEXUALS who suffered the MOST from AIDS and made the trend popular? Sounds to me that they received IN themselves that recompense spoken of.
It sure looks to me that this passage was a LOT more than simple rules, but more of an elaboration of what society will be like in the latter days. (current events pretty much) You will find many places where Paul gives us these tidbits, and trust me, if you are NOT a homosexual, homosexuality should be your LAST concern. I also agree with the "Hate the sin, Love the sinner part" Sure, homosexuality is a sin, but so is adultery (having sex for pleasure with anyone whom you are not married to) and this applies to heterosexuals as well. Fornication (basically, having sex for the hell of it, or for some type of compensation) Lust. Thievery. Idol worship, to include animal worship and any other act where the creation is held in higher regard than the creator (vegetarianism of course DOES apply) and many more.
There are much bigger fish to fry in ALL of us than homosexuality, unless of course, homosexuality is one of your willful and deliberate sins.
By the way, there is NO SUCH THING as a true Christian who is homosexual. Being Christian is about being free from the bond of sin, and making the willful choice NOT to commit sin. For a Christian to make the choice to commit homosexual acts (or any other sin whether of mind or body) automatically goes against his/her Christianity. While of course, if one cannot help but to commit homosexual acts (or any other sin whether of mind or body) then they are still slaves to sin and have not received the "spiritual circumcision" basically, they are not Christian.
As I have said though... I support "Hate the sin, Love the sinner"
After all, "...All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" We are all sinners, including ourselves and we are supposed to love our neighbors just as much as we love ourselves.
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Hate the sin love the sinner! a way way better translation than despise the sinner..DESPISE!! whom the hell are you to despise who set you as judge??well who!!
listen we are all on this planet together...tiskale the world you seem to want?? lets look at it from here you are an under scullery maid yes an under scullery maid and when your master wants you he strips you and takes you..Tiskale!!you think ubermenshen,,but what if you are untermenschen??get the point??its about EQUALITY..
tiska, you are legend in your own mind:roll:
Good to see that you didn't manage to disprove me. I would've been stunned if you had actually shown the ability to.
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The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labour. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~ Albert Einstein
Hate the sin love the sinner! a way way better translation than despise the sinner..DESPISE!! whom the hell are you to despise who set you as judge??well who!!
listen we are all on this planet together...tiskale the world you seem to want?? lets look at it from here you are an under scullery maid yes an under scullery maid and when your master wants you he strips you and takes you..Tiskale!!you think ubermenshen,,but what if you are untermenschen??get the point??its about EQUALITY..
listen we are all on this planet together...tiskale the world you seem to want?? lets look at it from here you are an under scullery maid yes an under scullery maid and when your master wants you he strips you and takes you..Tiskale!!you think ubermenshen,,but what if you are untermenschen??get the point??its about EQUALITY..
my dear pietro...how did you get from HATE the sin to DESPISE the sinner?? once again you have lost me, are you on the ramble pills again??!! LOL
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What would happen if people couldn't meddle in others peoples bedrooms anymore?
- Human race would die out because of boredom.
- Human race would die out because of boredom.
Grow up all of you (except deng). Why are you always meddling with things that don't concern you?
It's none of your business if a guy likes a threesome, if a girl likes a girl or if a hermaphrodite likes itself like it is. Gee, you people have too much time. Don't you have your own problems and seek problems in other people instead? You disgust me. I wouldn't want to barf in your direction.
(Except deng. I wouldn't though, because even I do know the etiquette. We're cool.).
Yet another scholar of modern foolishness.
(yes, I said it, don't take it personal, it's not intended to be)
"The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God"
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Tiska,i stated clearly that what happens in a bedroom is private..I also stated that when they bring it onto the street and demand public acceptance,thats where i draw the line.Thats where jewish folklore draws the line...hahahahaahah.
marching in the streets and calling it PRIDE is where they make it EVERYONE'S business... you don't see people marching in the streets about having sex with multiple partners... but guess what, I have just as much a problem with SWINGERS as I do HOMOSEXUALS...
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Well Pretty, I'm not an extremely religions person but I do believe in God and in the Bible. So what you have written is from the Bible (book of Romans), so therefore I believe it...
However I also agree with your saying, "Hate the sin, but Love the sinner." I think most people who are homosexuals are not Christians anyway. I did say "most" and not "all." But I believe that God loves them anyway and when they realise that, than hopefully they will "come around!"
But I do not judge people...we are all first and foremost, humans
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