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I was watching Nancy Grace, I think it was a couple of weeks ago and I was horrified to see that young women/girls beating up on one girl and then posting it to utube. Geeeeze what is the youth of today coming to. If that was my daughter doing the beating, I would probably kick her ass all the way around the block. But unfortunately, the government would probably lock me up for child abuse. Thank God my son is grown up now. It has gotten to the point that parents are afraid to disipline their children in fear of them calling the cops on them.
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Do you have any children!! 6 girls beating on 1 that's FAIR!!!
The girl's face is unrecognizable, and she still has not recovered the use of her hearing.
As a child I was disiplined and as I got older I found my self to have more respect for my parents for being strict with me .
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If you were the type of mum to hit your children like that, it's no wonder that your hypothetical child would hit others in return...
I have a feeling that was one of those things people say in the shock of the moment.
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From the sublime to the ridiculous is but one step--Napolean Bonaparte
If you were the type of mum to hit your children like that, it's no wonder that your hypothetical child would hit others in return...
I have a feeling that was one of those things people say in the shock of the moment.
I have a feeling that was one of those things said by people without a clue. The type to give their future mass-murderers a time-out when they're caught decapitating squirrels.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
Or dismembering dogs-n-cats, lighting them on fire...etc.
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what does humankind do to our children and people,understand that humankind is me and you..what was done to those children was done by US..we are not going in the right direction...
Those girls aren't only in trouble for assault, they're goin' down for kidnapping! Kids aren't thinkin' about consequences of their actions because their lack of guidance in growing up. Parents were maybe disfunctional &/or irresponsible. We gotta' know what our kids are doing at all times! Heck-of-a-deal 
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Judgement will come-
not in proportion to the sins we've committed,
but in proportion to the light we've rejected.
-Yance Havner
If you were the type of mum to hit your children like that, it's no wonder that your hypothetical child would hit others in return...
I have a feeling that was one of those things people say in the shock of the moment.
I have a feeling that was one of those things said by people without a clue. The type to give their future mass-murderers a time-out when they're caught decapitating squirrels.
I think we might be talking about different things. What I was referring to is the original poster's comment about kicking her daughter's arse. It seems like "I'll kick her arse" was more like "I'm shocked."
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From the sublime to the ridiculous is but one step--Napolean Bonaparte
There's a difference between kicking a girls ass halfway around the block in order to knock a bit of sense into her head and kicking a girls ass halfway around the block then putting the video on youtube.
If you were the type of mum to hit your children like that, it's no wonder that your hypothetical child would hit others in return...
I have a feeling that was one of those things people say in the shock of the moment.
I have a feeling that was one of those things said by people without a clue. The type to give their future mass-murderers a time-out when they're caught decapitating squirrels.
I think we might be talking about different things. What I was referring to is the original poster's comment about kicking her daughter's arse. It seems like "I'll kick her arse" was more like "I'm shocked."
We must be...while I may agree with you there...I'll stand by what I said about the other. Candy-assed parents should have their kids removed before those that give their kids a needed tanning of the behind.
And Bunny has a point...
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
If you were the type of mum to hit your children like that, it's no wonder that your hypothetical child would hit others in return...
I have a feeling that was one of those things people say in the shock of the moment.
I have a feeling that was one of those things said by people without a clue. The type to give their future mass-murderers a time-out when they're caught decapitating squirrels.
I think we might be talking about different things. What I was referring to is the original poster's comment about kicking her daughter's arse. It seems like "I'll kick her arse" was more like "I'm shocked."
We must be...while I may agree with you there...I'll stand by what I said about the other. Candy-assed parents should have their kids removed before those that give their kids a needed tanning of the behind.
And Bunny has a point...
Shiftage, I think I may agree with you, but I'm not exactly sure, because I'm not exactly clear on what you're saying. Who exactly are you stickin up for? 
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Those with the smarts to redden a backside when it needs it.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
When I said I would kick her ass around the block, C'MON PEOPLE" I didn't mean it literaly, but yes her backside would be red!:hammering:
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Fire with Fire doesn't always work...
No...but easier to spank a little common sense into a young one that watch them get beaten bloody in the street...or prison.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
Fire with Fire doesn't always work...
exactly, most of the time it "backfires".... 
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you had a choice to be considered sensitive or insensitive, which would you pick? -lea
In cases such as these, many times these beaters are actually a product of their own upbringing. A little deeper digging reveals, why a person would even think violence would justify their point.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you had a choice to be considered sensitive or insensitive, which would you pick? -lea
Fire with Fire doesn't always work...
exactly, most of the time it "backfires"....
No...most of the time it does not.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
In cases such as these, many times these beaters are actually a product of their own upbringing. A little deeper digging reveals, why a person would even think violence would justify their point.
If you actually think it is always possible to rationalize something with a four year old....there may be a problem you haven't considered. So...to you a swat is "VIOLENCE"? I think letting a child get away with murder (figuratively) is bad parenting. And worse than said paddling.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
Fire with Fire doesn't always work...
Why not "season" them to what will happen to them in the real world & take away their privaliges & even their freedom if they don't behave. Ultimately, the parent has to be in that role. I personally know a little bit of jail set me on the narrower path. My parents weren't always strict enough on me for certain things. That plastic flyswat handle sure did talk sometimes... but did it talk enough?? I think those bars, later on, were a little bit louder 
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Judgement will come-
not in proportion to the sins we've committed,
but in proportion to the light we've rejected.
-Yance Havner
In cases such as these, many times these beaters are actually a product of their own upbringing. A little deeper digging reveals, why a person would even think violence would justify their point.
If you actually think it is always possible to rationalize something with a four year old....there may be a problem you haven't considered. So...to you a swat is "VIOLENCE"? I think letting a child get away with murder (figuratively) is bad parenting. And worse than said paddling.
You have mis read my point. (A little deeper digging reveals, why a person (the child) would think violence would justify their point. (in hurting another child).
Many times children use violence, because they are getting it at home, thinking this is perfectly normal and acceptable to beat someone else. Somewhere this chain has to be broken. We have to look into why these children would commit such acts of violence in the first place.
And rationalization can be done to many 4 year olds. Many times there are developmental problems that we don't know exists. These have to look at as well. I don't believe in swating children, expecially at this age.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you had a choice to be considered sensitive or insensitive, which would you pick? -lea
You have mis read my point. (A little deeper digging reveals, why a person (the child) would think violence would justify their point. (in hurting another child).
Many times children use violence, because they are getting it at home, thinking this is perfectly normal and acceptable to beat someone else) Somewhere this chain has to be broken. We have to look into why these children would commit such acts of violence in the first place.
Perhaps I did mis-read it, but one thing it seems you are trying to point out that a swat on the butt equates to olders that think it's ok to beat the tar out of someone. Sorry...this is not the case. NOT punishing a child early enough for wrong-doing creates the very scenario that you wish to avoid. Why should anyone be hindered if the worst they think can happen is a stiff talking-to?
And sorry...one can not rationalize to that point with a 4 year old. MAYBE nine and up.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
Children need to be taught right from wrong! There was a time when school principals gave the strap to the out of control students, until the government stepped in, now the zero tolerance act came in and students get suspended from school, do you actually think at their age they will care if they get time off school? It will only affect them later on in life when they have no education, and again it puts things in the parents hands. I had a strict upbringing, and sometimes a sore bottom, I turned out O.K. I am sure when we talk disipline it depends on the type. I once put tabasco sauce on my son's tongue for telling me to F**** OFF. Do you think he ever used that word again? He might have, just not in our house as we were very careful about the language in our home. Everything in moderation!
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I have seen many small children hit others at school, because they didn't get their way. When asking them why, they said because mommy and daddy do it to me. That smack at home wasn't explained to them and all they understand is it's ok because its normal. Now do we punish the child at school.
Children understand a lot more when privileges are taken away, something that they will miss a lot and get back as a reward for doing better.
lol I heard of the tabasco thing...my next door neighbour used to do it to her son all the time...now he loves it on his kraft dinner.. 
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you had a choice to be considered sensitive or insensitive, which would you pick? -lea
The problem with the reward thing, is that they will grow up thinking that anytime they do something right, they should receive a reward. If caught on time or at the right time children should not need a reward. A small tap on the hand for young children is enough, they cry not because it hurts but because their pride is hurt more than anything. Most children try to be stubborn to get their own way, but sometimes the parent needs to be more stubborn!!!
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I love your little hammering smilie, it speaks volumes. I said take privileges and get them back as a reward for correcting their attitudes, not giving them more rewards.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you had a choice to be considered sensitive or insensitive, which would you pick? -lea
I'm sorry...I hear that FAR to often...being said...that "mommy and daddy do it". Yet I have spent much time around MANY children...and haven't heard it from them once. And I know for a fact many of those get the backsides paddled. They lashed out because they didn't get their way It is a myth, pure and simple that they do it because they, themselves, get a whoopin.. There is nobody that can justify that as a reason not to. And me assured...many more children in the past have been paddled and turned out more than fine. The trick is to never cross the line to abuse. As a tool...it is just as effect, if not more so, than a talking-to. And it does not make kids grow up to be violent.
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
You have a way with words Shifty, I couldn't have said it better myself!!
I mean, when I was small, there were days, I thought I wouldn't ever be able to sit down!!! But yes I turned out fine, no problems, no crimes, well rounded
Well not quite, but my son is the same and he has a 2 year old daughter of whom I am sure will be raised similiarly!!
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I am totally against any forms of physical punishment on children. There are so many other alternatives to aid in a childs upbringing. Patience and understanding is the key to a good communication with our children. Even at a young age, they are a lot more understanding than we give them credit for. Our impatience and not wanting to deal with the situation, leads to the smack. (Spare the rod, spoil the child--I don't think so)
I had twins that are now 15 and practically brought up on my own. So I also have a bit of experience.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If you had a choice to be considered sensitive or insensitive, which would you pick? -lea
You miss the point...every kid doesn't need a pop. Every parent shouldn't. But it's those that refuse to when it IS needed that are just as bad as those that do when it isn't. And as much as the popped chillins...the unpopped grow up to be just as "VIOLENT"
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and them misapplying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx
If you were the type of mum to hit your children like that, it's no wonder that your hypothetical child would hit others in return...
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