Can AIDS be prevented by the pope?
There has been a quite polite off-topic discussion that had been going on in the - now closed - "how to live life" forum. I'd like to reconsider this and I am still curious how flomany thinks the Africans could be prevented and billions of lives saved. Besides informing themselves. About what, I'd also still like to hear.
AIDS is a serious topic, if there is a solution that flomany can present, I will listen eagerly.
I will - for the record - repeat my thesis, which is in no way meant offensive, but is my own opinion:
If the pope changed his mind about condoms, he could prevent billions of deaths because of AIDS.
Since he does not use his power, but instead condemns condoms, I say he is guilty of the deaths of those people who are dying, because they didn't use condoms, because he said so.
In technical terminology that would be similar to failure to render assistance.
Of course, I shall be willing to reconsider my opinion if different facts and convincing opinions are presented.
As I said, I still await the enlightening explanation of flomany.
Please do tell!
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the catholic church is already guilty, because they spreaded the lie that sex with virgins heals AIDS. Of course many kids have been raped after that statement. it's just a shame that they still do nothing against it, but people like desmond tutu, who caused with many other peoples, who have much influence to the masses, this epedemic disease, get honored for fighting against it.
What if people just would stop believing what the pope says?
If only...sigh...
you cant blame an old guy in a white glass cage on the back of a car for aids...
We don't. We accuse him of lack of common sense and of not using his influence to effectively contrast the spreading of the disease.
And he also says to not have sex outside the marriage probably... so he doesnt say: Go out, have sex but dont do it safe.
People will always have sex outside marriage. So the Pope can embrace pragmatism and tell people that using condoms is not bad - therefore reducing the rate of AIDS cases - or just cling to his ideologies and be responsible for millions of deaths, including those of countless kids who contract the disease from their mothers at birth.
Theres an error in your thesis there methinks.. Its not like you suddenly get aids in a long term relationship. People that sleep about probably arent having unsafe sex cuz the pope told them too. I hope you can see my point.
If you contract AIDS from e.g. a blood transfusion, being in a long-term relationship won't save you. And heeding the Pope's words, having unprotected sex with other people after contagion will kill others.
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Aids through any other way than sex wont be helped by a condom either. And yes people will have sex outside the marriage. But why do they have unsafe sex then? Do they suddenly listen to the pope on the subject of having sex safe or not and they blindly ignore the whole sex after marriage thesis?
then his word is not so strong cuz people dont obey it. They dont have unsafe sex cuz the pope says so. And yes he could change his point of view, but apparently not that of others. If you somehow think that having sex before your marriage is cool but a condom will make you go to hell...well then in my opinon your just plain stupid. I'm not a christian but its just to easy to blaim something like this on the pope in this way. But I agree on the fact that its about time the church took modern viewpoints on things.
Abortion is murder?
euthanasia is for cowards cuz pain is the path to god?
Like that stuff...the world has come a long way since Jesus was supposedly dangling from his cross. THe church should come to terms with it..
But I think I am doomed anyway if the pope is right.
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Sex is supposed to be between a married man and women.
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You try hard to get me into a useless debate with you about this. Useless because you already showed your incompetence and worse, your ignorance in an impertinent way. If you want to start a new thread(t), do it, but don’t use my name to promote it.
When you have informed about Catholicism, you can try to talk to me agan. Though this will take you a long time since you didn’t even bother to start with it. That’s obvious because you wrote “changed his mind” relating to the Pope. The Pope only promulgates God’s word and will, the truth, and the truth is unchangeable, eternal, always right; “la verità non invecchia”. I’m aware that I can’t assume that you understand that. So what you demand is a paradoxon. If the Pope stopped to tell the truth, it would be the downfall of him and his church, and right so. The Catholic Church is no club like those you know, where people degrade the truth to the servant of their own desires.
Let’s start to learn this lesson, if you have understood it, tell me.
Your outrageous claim that the Pope is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people remains. As far as I know, the Pope teaches abstinence in first place and forbids extramarital sex. If people lived after that, the risk to get AIDS would be very low. Condoms only encourage promiscuity and are not 100% safe either. If people followed the Pope 100%, less people (or as I’m sure 0) would get it, less than if 100% followed what the WHO demands. Arguably, AIDS would have never appeared if people valued true love instead of permanently satisfying every single of their low drives. You can find this thesis outrageous, I don’t, Ronald Reagan neither.
Here’s a link for you, especially for you, since it is explained step by step for those who are a bit slow: http://www.newmancentre.org/pages/bernier1.htm
Not to mention that the Catholic Church provides more aid to prevent AIDS and to deal with it than other organizations which don’t get tired to criticize it and the Catholic Church is quite successful, as much as this is still possible:
“A short examination, however, of the HIV/AIDS rates of those African countries that have a large Catholic population shows that the Church's accusers have not done the homework or are deliberately misreporting the facts. The available statistics show that countries with a large Catholic percentage population, show significantly lower rates of HIV/AIDS infections than countries with mostly non-Catholic populations.
2003 statistics from the World Factbook of the US Central Intelligence Agency, shows Burundi at 62% Catholic with 6% AIDS infection rate. Angola's population is 38% Roman Catholic and has 3.9% AIDS rate. Ghana is 63% Christian, with in some regions as much as 33% Catholic and has 3.1% AIDS rate. Nigeria, divided almost evenly between the strongly Muslim north and Christian and "animist" south, has 5.4% AIDS rate.
Strongly Christian Uganda continues to frustrate condom-pushing NGO's by maintaining its abstinence and fidelity AIDS prevention programs and one of the lowest rates of AIDS in Africa, at 4.1%. Uganda's population is listed by the CIA Factbook as 33% Roman Catholic and 33% Protestant.
Of African countries with low Catholic populations, Botswana is typical with 37.3% AIDS, one of the highest in Africa, and 5% of the total population Catholic. In 2003, Swaziland was shown to have a 38.8% AIDS infection rate and only 20% Catholic population.”
LifeSiteNews.com
However, there are always people who can’t control their drives, but to blame the Catholic Church for that is idiotic. Then you blame the Pope for those people who didn’t listen to him or didn’t act after his principles. Ridiculous. But I guess you are free from logic.
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By the way, guidonl85 is right, nobody is forced to listen to the Pope. He's not the head of state in any African country. You only have to believe in him if you believe in Christ and his teachings. And then you go the safe way without any force.
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The new fascism won't say: "I am fascism", it will say: "I am the anti-fascism." Ignazio Silone
You try hard to get me into a useless debate with you about this. Useless because you already showed your incompetence and worse, your ignorance in an impertinent way. If you want to start a new thread(t), do it, but don’t use my name to promote it.
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Touchy! Where did you see YOUR name? Before you forget eveybody is allowed to post. It never ceases to amaze me how angry and how rude some people can get. I mad a comment, of which is my opinion, (and maybe a lot of others too) You may not like it. But that is no way gives you the right to be rude and then write a 500000 word essay about it!
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THE CHRISTIAN LIFE WITHOUT PRAYER IS LIKE COMPUTER HARDWARE WITHOUT THE SOFTWARE!!!!!
I think the only way the spread of aids can be controlled is by the individual's own concern for their safety. (If pertaining to willing sexual acts). No person or man on this earth can tell you to use a condom or not, if you don't want to. How many Catholics actually follow their Religous beliefs to the letter?
If through other ways of contracting aids like blood transfusions etc..more testing has to be done before usage.
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Sex is supposed to be between a married man and women.
Were Adam and Eve married?
Topic locked. This topic has been used to continue a fight in another topic.
A ban warning has already been sent to a member who continued fighting in this channel after the comments I posted warning about this.
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It is said human beings are complex. I say it's a complex challenge to be a human.
What if people just would stop believing what the pope says? you cant blame an old guy in a white glass cage on the back of a car for aids... And he also says to not have sex outside the marriage probably... so he doesnt say: Go out, have sex but dont do it safe.
Theres an error in your thesis there methinks.. Its not like you suddenly get aids in a long term relationship. People that sleep about probably arent having unsafe sex cuz the pope told them too. I hope you can see my point.
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“We should burn all libraries and allow to remain only that which everyone knows by heart. A beautiful age of the legend would then begin.” - Hugo Ball
“The rest, called literature, is a dossier of human imbecility for the guidance of future professors.” - Tristan Tzara