Albert so was he?
Albert so was he? Atheist or Theist. Your take on the matter
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Einstein was a great physicist, but he above all was just a man, who didn't believe in God. That I agree with, but there are so many that don't believe what is the big deal about Einstein?
So what are you trying to convince "them" of?
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Albert was a very strange fellow.
These quotes from him show that he believed in God and Religion:
* "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
* "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
* "God is subtle but he is not malicious."
* "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
* "God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
* "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals
himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
These quotes from him show that he did not believe in God or Religion:
* "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
* "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
* "The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
* "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
This guy was a great intellectual, no doubt about it. But when it came to actual personal experience and understanding he was a big failure. He could talk-the-talk but he could not walk-the-talk. He did not know anything existencially.
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Albert was a very interesting mind, but even though publicly stating his non-beliefs, still smart enough to talk about God as if he existed. Just goes to show that even the most smartest people carry the (what if) in the back of their mind. In life, just about anything is possible. Is anyone 100% sure?
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Einstein was a great physicist, but he above all was just a man, who didn't believe in God. That I agree with, but there are so many that don't believe what is the big deal about Einstein? So what are you trying to convince "them" of?
So what are you trying to convince "them" of?Me? Absolutely nothing. But as long as theists claim that belief in a deity - in their deity - is the only way to go because, supposedly, even Einstein believed in a god...well, I feel obliged to point out how Einstein did not believe. Even those quotes that seem to depict him as a believer don't really do that. It all boils down to his very particular conception of god. He identified what people commonly call "god" with the physical reality itself, but without personalising it. In my book that's about as close to scientific pantheism as it gets.
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In life, just about anything is possible.
Certainly not. And even if it were, possibility and likeliness are two entirely different things.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
In life, just about anything is possible.
Certainly not. And even if it were, possibility and likeliness are two entirely different things.
Are you 100% sure?
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
In life, just about anything is possible.
Certainly not. And even if it were, possibility and likeliness are two entirely different things.
possibility or improbility! Anything IS possible, even you think it is highly improbable!! LOL!
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Reasonably sure. Enough to make reliable predictions about the variety of phenomena the constants of the universe we live in allows for, and so was Einstein.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
In life, just about anything is possible.
Certainly not. And even if it were, possibility and likeliness are two entirely different things.
possibility or improbility! Anything IS possible, even you think it is highly improbable!! LOL!
Prove it?
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
In life, just about anything is possible.
Certainly not. And even if it were, possibility and likeliness are two entirely different things.
possibility or improbility! Anything IS possible, even you think it is highly improbable!! LOL!
Prove it?
I really don't feel the need to prove anything to you.
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Oh no, not to me, I'm not that egocentric. Just prove it to the world. To your pet, to your pillow, anyone or anything you wish, but just give your statements some substance. It would be nice for a change.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Oh Please Shaka, stop being such a happy and encouraging person I can't take it any more it is breaking me up!!! 
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I can be a very happy person. I simply see no reason to display joy whenever I give a look at this channel and certainly have met, during my four years as user on this website, very few people worthy of being encouraged in any way. Nothing personal, of course.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Oh, NO, NOTHING PERSONEL .....OF COURSE NOT!!!!! You.......What could I have been thinking, (must of been that crack that Jesus was smoking!) I notice you said" I CAN be a happy person" and I am sure you can, but WHEN, don't look to me or to the others to stroke your ego, just because they may not believe the same as you!
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one, since becoming a member i think i have read most of your posts..Over a period of time you come close to sounding like his non god posts..the ones way up at the top of the scroll..You know some people are trying to shoot down the bigbang theory..could that be because he did not spell out for them who or what caused the big bang..maybe he wanted them to try thinking for themselves..He had a lot of success with oppenheimer,one of his best students ever,certainly the most well known..
In life, just about anything is possible.
Certainly not. And even if it were, possibility and likeliness are two entirely different things.
possibility or improbility! Anything IS possible, even you think it is highly improbable!! LOL!
Prove it?
Do you know how many times I have seen you write those words, but have yet to see you prove anything to the contrary.
Albert was a very complex creature, but never ruled out non-existence as he talked about God often as an actual entity. If he would purposely acknowledge God as his belief it might be contrary to his other findings...He was not a stupid man covering all his bases. He knew God existed, but chose not to believe in him, otherwise who would believe in Albert?
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Do you know how many times I have seen you write those words, but have yet to see you prove anything to the contrary.
Albert was a very complex creature, but never ruled out non-existence as he talked about God often as an actual entity. If he would purposely acknowledge God as his belief it might be contrary to his other findings...He was not a stupid man covering all his bases. He knew God existed, but chose not to believe in him, otherwise who would believe in Albert?
Rather weak argument. Many physicists in the past were believers and that did not prevent them from making great discoveries. The same would have been valid for Albert, yet he affirmed he did not believe, and not merely out of rebellious whim. He saw no rational reason to believe in a personal deity and did not.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Do you know how many times I have seen you write those words, but have yet to see you prove anything to the contrary.
Albert was a very complex creature, but never ruled out non-existence as he talked about God often as an actual entity. If he would purposely acknowledge God as his belief it might be contrary to his other findings...He was not a stupid man covering all his bases. He knew God existed, but chose not to believe in him, otherwise who would believe in Albert?
Rather weak argument. Many physicists in the past were believers and that did not prevent them from making great discoveries. The same would have been valid for Albert, yet he affirmed he did not believe, and not merely out of rebellious whim. He saw no rational reason to believe in a personal deity and did not.
Rather week arguement as well. Why would he speak of him, if he did not exist? Do you speak of God like he did?
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
Albert Einstein was an atheist, you are an Agnostic there is a difference.
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Because the world wants to speak of god, unfortunately. The term scientific pantheist probably describes Einstein much better, and I'm not agnostic at all. Agnosticism is for those who can't be arsed to look at the evidence available and take a decision. I did, just as Einstein did.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Because the world wants to speak of god, unfortunately. The term scientific pantheist probably describes Einstein much better, and I'm not agnostic at all. Agnosticism is for those who can't be arsed to look at the evidence available and take a decision. I did, just as Einstein did.
Not only the world speaks of God so did Albert. No, Albert Einstein was above you and spoke of God as an actual being. But you cannot?
Hey Percy, give us your ideas on this subject.
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So, a letter written by Einstein himself one year before his death is not enough for you?
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
So, a letter written by Einstein himself one year before his death is not enough for you?
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
Sounds like a mere mortal questioning God at a close end to his existence. Many do. Not that surprising. But he often referred to a God throughout his existence. To him God was real, otherwise with a intellectual mind like his, why refer to or talk about something that does not exist?
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
Why, you never happened to have a conversation about something that wasn't real, and that most importantly you knew not to be real? Saying that Einstein acknowledged god's existence simply because he was asked by people about it and hence forced to face the topic is a bit absurd. Just like claiming that Tolkien actually believed in Middle Earth's existence because he wrote an impressive amount of material, be it essays or missives to friends and relatives, to discuss its history.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Why, you never happened to have a conversation about something that wasn't real, and that most importantly you knew not to be real? Saying that Einstein acknowledged god's existence simply because he was asked by people about it and hence forced to face the topic is a bit absurd. Just like claiming that Tolkien actually believed in Middle Earth's existence because he wrote an impressive amount of material, be it essays or missives to friends and relatives, to discuss its history.
If I was asked a topic that I knew wasn't real, I certainly wouldn't admit to it's existence or talk about it as if it exists. I would be going against everything I believed in. Who would think me credible?
I don't really think God and Middle Earth(or it's creator) are on the same level...how long has both been in existence?
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
If I was asked a topic that I knew wasn't real, I certainly wouldn't admit to it's existence or talk about it as if it exists. I would be going against everything I believed in. Who would think me credible?
I don't really think God and Middle Earth(or it's creator) are on the same level...how long has both been in existence?
I don't really think God and Middle Earth(or it's creator) are on the same level...how long has both been in existence?
There's the problem. Unless you think that Einstein had a split personality, there are records of enough statements of his to realise he did freakin' not believe in personal deity and that the height of spirituality for him was the awe the complexity of the physical world can inspire. As for god and Middle Earth, neither one exists unless proven otherwise. Yeah, I know you can't bring proof, I just love to see you try.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
Can you touch air, can you see air, how do you know its there?
Prove to me that it is there, I can't see it, I can't touch it, How do I know its there!
BECAUSE YOU JUST KNOW ITS THERE!!!!
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Can you touch air, can you see air, how do you know its there?
Prove to me that it is there, I can't see it, I can't touch it, How do I know its there!
Prove to me that it is there, I can't see it, I can't touch it, How do I know its there!
BECAUSE YOU JUST KNOW ITS THERE!!!!
Hardly. Air is a mix of several gases, all of which can be detected and analysed. Some of its components, such as water vapour, can be seen with the naked eye. Furthermore, we can perceive the movement of those gas particles in the form of wind of varying intensity. The comparison does not stand.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen
If I was asked a topic that I knew wasn't real, I certainly wouldn't admit to it's existence or talk about it as if it exists. I would be going against everything I believed in. Who would think me credible?
I don't really think God and Middle Earth(or it's creator) are on the same level...how long has both been in existence?
I don't really think God and Middle Earth(or it's creator) are on the same level...how long has both been in existence?
There's the problem. Unless you think that Einstein had a split personality, there are records of enough statements of his to realise he did freakin' not believe in personal deity and that the height of spirituality for him was the awe the complexity of the physical world can inspire. As for god and Middle Earth, neither one exists unless proven otherwise. Yeah, I know you can't bring proof, I just love to see you try.
There my dear friend is where the double edged sword does not wield for you, no matter how many orcs you want to pop off. "I know you can't bring proof"....just as you can't and "I just love to see you try" as you keep saying, but also you have stated that any proof would be laughable. Is this worth any indulgence? I think not.
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The un-inspirational behavior of others determines our willingness to believe their words. Their life and truths then become like wind, collecting dust in its passing. -lea
He did not believe in a personal god and stated so more than once. A scientific pantheist, if anything. Pretty interesting finding, however. If some people still doubted of Einstein's unbelief before, I hope this will be enough to convince them.
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How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter? --Woody Allen